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hi everyone, currently i am assembling the parts to build a portable solar power pack station in a rolling suitcase platform. i allready bought a 10.3 watt 17.8 volt .58 amp solar panel (mono crystalline) so now i am looking at using some 12v 7ah sealed lead acid batteries (rechargable) to store the solar power collected. my question is: with said 10.3 watt 17.8 volt .58 amp panel, how many amp hours will i replenish each day? i figure whatever the answer to that question ends up being will need to be 40% of my total battery bank as you shouldnt over tax sla batteries more than 40%........any help would be greatly apprediated.
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Re: diy portable solar power pack (need help with battery bank)
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Sun, July 26, 2009 - 2:20 PM
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Mon, July 27, 2009 - 6:46 AMWhy are you using lead acid?
Lithium ion is better and lighter. And there's a new super light Ceramic Sulfur battery that really kicks ass.
One would think that to move all those lead acid batteries you'll need a gas engine. -
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Mon, July 27, 2009 - 11:15 AMhey zippy thanks for the input, i have not pulled the trigger on lead acid batteries yet but it looks like i can buy 12v 7ah batteries shipped for 14.00 on ebay, i was leaning toward either 4 or more of them to use in my setup. they weigh about 2.5lbs each. cost is part of the reason, do you know where i can get liion batteries for this project? i also need to know how much power my 20 watts of solar will generate so i can determine how many amp hours to make my battery bank. -
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Mon, July 27, 2009 - 11:59 AMfrom what i have read so far has me leaning toward agm batteries.....input? i need to pull the trigger today..... -
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Mon, July 27, 2009 - 12:46 PM> do you know where i can get liion batteries for this project?
How many do you need? I may have a few. What's your application?
New are expensive, but you can get as many as you want from old computer battery packs (for free).
In my experience, battery packs fail because of one or two cells or (more often) they don't fail at all.
Almost always the users dispose of the battery pack when they think it doesn't work, while the computer just needs a recalibration.
With LiIon you need also a small protection circuit (look on www.batteryspace.com) but they are not expensive.
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Mon, July 27, 2009 - 1:05 PMhi giovonni,
i am leaning away from liion batteries at this time due to cost and availability. leaning toward sla and agm batteries now. an example is what i was looking at right now:
cgi.ebay.com/4-UNITS-12V...aultDomain_0
4 UNITS 12V 12AH 12 Volt 12 Amp Hour SLA BATTERY for 94 dollars delivered
that gives me 48 ah at 12v storage capacity
with my two 10watt panels and the charge controller i am about to win:
cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll -
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Mon, July 27, 2009 - 1:06 PMI should be good what do yall think?
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Mon, July 27, 2009 - 1:07 PMI don't see how your numbers will work out for this.the panel produces 18v, but the batt. will only take 12v, so if the voltage goes down, the amps go up proportionally. Ball park it say .75 amps. = 9.3 hrs to charge a 7ah batt. That's ONE battery. If you only drain 40% , charging up from that point would take abt. 4 hrs, per batt.That solar panel might run low amp electronics , but charging batteries is another matter. There are a lot of better battery choices out there, but you still only produce about .75 amps at 12v
The important question is, what are you powering, how many amps does it pull, and for how long at a time? -
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Mon, July 27, 2009 - 2:16 PMHI DAN!
ok let me start over,
i have 2 of these:
High efficiency module---17.25% Mono-crystalline Silicon
Low iron tempered glass
Suitable for prolonged outdoor use, water proof
EVA laminate and TPT backsheet
Anodize aluminum frame
Bypass diode minimizes power drop by shade
10 years limited warranty of 90% power output and 25 year limited warranty of 80% power output.
Specifications:
Maximum Power: 10.3W watt
Maximum-power Voltage: 17.8 volt
Maximum-power current: 0.58 Ampere
Open-circuit voltage: 22.1 volt
Short-circuit current: 0.69 Ampere
Size: 350 x 285 x 18 mm ( 13.8" x 11.2" x 0.7" )
Weight: 1.25 KG (2.8 pounds )
Surface of the cell: 125 x 125 mm
Temperature: -40 ° C / +80 ° C
Temperature coefficient of Pm (%): -0.47 / ° C
Temperature coefficient of Im (%): +0.1 / ° C
Temperature coefficient of Vm (%): -0.38 / ° C
Tolerance: + / -5%
mostly for form factor (they fit in the openings i want to mount them in nicely). I only use a few usb run gadgets 5v 2a or less amperage each so no worry on the power needed, basically my question is this: because i own 2 of these panels allready and they fit my project form factor nicely, what is the most appropreate sized battery bank for 2 of these panels. i only want to discharge what i can pay back on a sunny day AND i want to only discharge the reccommended amount, what is it like 40%? -
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Mon, July 27, 2009 - 3:15 PMThe same numbers apply, X 2. Each panel will charge one batt. at that rate, again those are just ball park #'s
What are you going to do about inverting to 5v 2 amp ?
There was a thread here not long ago on that problem. I don't recall what the best solution was, check the archives.
What USB devices would you be running without a computer ? Or are you running a lap top too ?
I'd start with the one batt. per panel, and see if that covers your power needs. 4-5 hours of good sunlight is reasonable, that's at the 40% use. -
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Mon, July 27, 2009 - 3:49 PMhi dan,
so how many amp hours will i get out of each panel in a day of sun do you think?
what batteries, the ones i was looking at above? 12v 12ah? 12v 7ah?
i plan on using my pocket projector on this, it runs off usb power. it is an aiptek v10 pocket projector.
i also plan on using my creative zen media player it also uses usb power.
i also own a boomtube that i use with the zen, it recharges its liion battery from 12v so i will also have a cigarette lighter plug for it. -
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Mon, July 27, 2009 - 3:54 PMok i reread what you said
"Ball park it say .75 amps. = 9.3 hrs to charge a 7ah batt. That's ONE battery. If you only drain 40% , charging up from that point would take abt. 4 hrs, per batt.That solar panel might run low amp electronics , but charging batteries is another matter. There are a lot of better battery choices out there, but you still only produce about .75 amps at 12v"
ok so to be safe i could use 4 of the 12v 7ah batteries, if i can replenish 7ah on a sunny day per panel then i can use 14ah a day, well lets say 12ah a day to be safe.....that means i need 60% more battery then 12ah so i only discharge 40% max for a total of 28ah or 4 of these batteries. -
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Mon, July 27, 2009 - 3:56 PMi know i am building a solar system backwards for form factor and i apologize for that!
im just trying to optomize my system to these panels. -
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Mon, July 27, 2009 - 3:58 PMok sla or agm batteries? i read agm are better and have a higher cycle rate? -
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Re: diy portable solar power pack (need help with battery bank)
Tue, July 28, 2009 - 7:20 AMYou can contact Power cell co. that is selling them on ebay and find out which battery you need, first hand from batt. people. They may have a 5v batt. more suited to your needs. you still need to get from 12v to 5v and maintain the cycle rate you need to operate sensitive electronics.
I take it the other batt thing you tried on another thread didn't work out as hoped. -
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Tue, July 28, 2009 - 10:52 AMThat should be plenty of batt. power, Is that 10 lbs per batt ? 40 lbs for 48 Ahr doesn' t compare very well to a 30 lb deep cycle marine batt. at 650 Ahr ! I just bought one for $60.00
Have you tried the cigarette lighter attachment ? It seams to be a 12V adapter for 12V usb charging, not for 5V use, it's not an inverter to 5V , and doesn't seem to be meant to RUN usb devices, only CHARGE12V batt.'s with a USB type connection. It's 12V OUTPUT NOT 5V. May fry your electronics long term, if they'll work off it at all.
Is this the unit you tried to run the projector with while charging it ? As I recall it didn't work. if so, it was probably because you were pumping in 12V , and that's ok to CHARGE a 5V batt. Then the batt. runs the unit. the unit will not run because you're trying to push 12V to run it, and the unit won't allow that , to keep from burning it out. That's 2 1/2 times the intended operating V, huge difference ! -
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Tue, July 28, 2009 - 4:53 PMyeah thats 9.6 lbs a batt x 4 but i only have a space 5 inches high to house them so i went with these.
i did not read the usb ebay auction very well before i bought it, i w3ill test it with a multimeter when i get it.
i tested the pocket projector on my dealie with 3 lighter sockets and 1 usb socket, worked fine, it tested at 5 volts.
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