Flaking plaster & paint.

topic posted Mon, June 29, 2009 - 2:26 AM by  Lynne
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I had my home re:plasterd some 2 years ago. But under & around one of my bay windows & get some flaking/crystallising & paint has flaked off, as well as patches of plaster.
Would a PVA bond do the trick before I paint again?
If not, what would work. There is no outer wall problems..no drain-pipes, but we do face the atlantic ocean, in a wet/windy area.
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Lynne
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  • Re: Flaking plaster & paint.

    Mon, June 29, 2009 - 9:05 PM
    water is coming in, revisit the flashing/ roofing. don't do much inside until this is fixed.
    • Re: Flaking plaster & paint.

      Tue, June 30, 2009 - 3:32 AM
      Its on the ground floor, 3 storeys below any roofing..& theres no guttering/drains or anything anywhere near the problem area...strange isn`t it?
      • Re: Flaking plaster & paint.

        Tue, June 30, 2009 - 9:00 AM
        <<theres no guttering/drains or anything anywhere near the problem area...strange isn`t it?>>

        Not really. Water + gravity = WTF!

        I recently experienced a water infiltration issue similar to yours on a rental townhouse I no longer occupy. My problem was ice damming infiltrating through a poorly installed roof valley flashing, travelling down a cathedral ceiling and interior wall, then across a ceiling on the ground floor then finally coming to rest in a large puddle in a bay window at the front of the townhouse some sixty feet from the original point of entry.

        The only advice I can give you is to look for telltale signs in other areas, and if you have access to attic space get up there with a good light and inspect as well.

        Good luck!
        • Re: Flaking plaster & paint.

          Tue, June 30, 2009 - 10:02 AM
          If you have single pane windows, it also could be caused from condensation forming on the inside of glass and dripping down during the cold months. This definitely happens at my house in Winter, it's a constant battle with mold and flaking paint and plaster until I break down and buy double pane windows. I tend to do a little plaster repair and repaint in the Summer and do cheapo shrink plastic around the bad windows, which helps a lot.
  • Re: Flaking plaster & paint.

    Tue, June 30, 2009 - 1:10 PM
    What Adam said.

    You got a problem with water.

    Solve for that first.
    • Re: Flaking plaster & paint.

      Wed, July 1, 2009 - 3:56 AM
      I have had new double glazing etc...so could it be the plaster itself..as the other room/living room is exactly the same...same windows..same aspect..but no flaking, no crystallisation either. Thats why I thought pva would do it, then paint..
      • Re: Flaking plaster & paint.

        Thu, July 2, 2009 - 8:00 AM
        PVA primer is only for fresh drywall. It's purpose is to seal and neutralize the alkalinity of the fresh drywall and mud before painting. It's bondability on anything ele is quite poor and often is te reason paint fails because folks see the low price and grab it for general priming.

        As others have said you have a water issue from somewhere. You are gonna have to solve that first.

        JSin
      • Re: Flaking plaster & paint.

        Thu, July 2, 2009 - 5:04 PM
        The double glazing is not relevant.

        Water can enter a building and flow along some studs or rafters for a good distance before manifesting as a problem inside.

        The slower the leak the harder it is to find.

        You problem may not ever show up as a "water stain" if all it is is a slow weak seep of water that ends up as a super high moisture layer right under the plaster. The plaster will fail, paint will not stick, and it'll stay that way till the timbers rot away.
        • Re: Flaking plaster & paint.

          Fri, July 10, 2009 - 12:54 AM
          Yeah, and what I'm imagining with this flaking plaster business is just what Cliff is describing: the water is coming through the wall, not condensation. any water dripping off the glass would be 'harmlessly' drizzling on the outside of the paint.

          So, why is water coming in?
          Anywhere on the outside of your house where there is trim (around windows in this case) there is potential for water to enter the walls. Homes on the east coast are usually flashed correctly, but you need to take a look at the outside of this window. Bay windows have lots of trim so there will be lots of places where the flashing could fail. What is happening is the rain (or melting ice and snow) is going behind your trim, possibly following the casing nails right through the sheathing. Spend some time investigating it yourself, but hire a pro to do the work imo, this is a once-every-50-years repair: it should be done right. Speaking of which, and not to take this way way to far without even having seen it, I'm guessing the whole building needs work, and "piecemealing" this repair isn't really the right approach; the whole place should be examined and fixed at once. which brings me to:

          You might consider calling your insurance agent and talk about filing a claim for water damage. I certainly would. And I have: my condo at Alpental, WA is being literally torn apart because of damage from snow. The repairs to two buildings are going to total over a million bucks! The stucco around my fireplace was doing that flaking too. I'd post a link to the photos of this project but I dont think they're super relevant.

          Oh, and this just hit me: the British call Band-Aids "plasters" (i think) and Americans use "Band-Aid" as a metaphorical term for a temporary or makeshift solution to a problem, created ad hoc (often used with a negative connotation of a lack of foresight.. thanks wiktionary and thanks to all who spent the time to read this rambling post.

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