Vertical gas-welding technique video clip?

topic posted Tue, October 13, 2009 - 9:30 AM by  Tanemon
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About a month ago, I found an on-line clip showing o/a & filler-rod vertical welding (& the guy was welding the seam upward). I tried a save to my harddrive, but when I went to rewatch the clip about a week later, the file had corrupted. And I lost track of the original source (YouTube, or elsewehere? dunno). Now I have some good video-clip-capture software, but can't locate the clip on-line. In fact, I can't even find anything similar.

I've got basic gas welding safety training, plus experience with soldering, brazing, basic welding, cutting, etc. There's a certain finesse that goes with vertical welding, though, and I want to acquire that.

Does someone know of a source for a free, good vid clip of this process? Can you give the name of the clip and the site, or - better yet - a link? Thanks for any help.
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Tanemon
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  • Re: Vertical gas-welding technique video clip?

    Tue, October 13, 2009 - 11:16 AM
    video.google.com/videosearch

    Lead weld\
    www.youtube.com/watch
    That one is a tad odd. I'd have never considered welding lead but hey it's a metal.
    I wonder if using gravity works with acetylene welding a vertical butt
    I should think that the brazing rod would flow to the heat.

    www.education.gov.ab.ca/cts/fa...030.pdf


    and
    "11-11. VERTICAL POSITION WELDING
    a. General. In vertical position welding, the axis of the weld is approximately vertical.

    b. When welding is done on a vertical surface, the molten metal has a tendency to run downward and pile up. A weld that is not carefully made will result in a joint with excessive reinforcement at the lower end and some undercutting on the surface of the plates.

    c. The flew of metal can be controlled by pointing the flame upward at a 45 degree angle to the plate, and holding the rod between the flame and the molten puddle (fig. 11-14). The manipulation of the torch and the filler rod keeps the metal from sagging or falling and ensures good penetration and fusion at the joint. Both the torch and the welding rod should be oscillated to deposit a uniform bead. The welding rod should be held slightly above the center line of the joint, and the welding flame should sweep the molten metal across the joint to distribute it evenly."
    from: www.weldguru.com/OFW.html
  • Re: Vertical gas-welding technique video clip?

    Tue, October 13, 2009 - 10:25 PM
    Taking into account the force of gravity, it's way easier to let a weld puddle flow downhill than nudging it up in reverse.

    When brazing, more attention needs be paid to first heating surrounding weldment material to give the braze flow a place to bond. Torch the join pieces both orange before applying rod. The brass hits its meltpoint really sudden turning the rod to liquid that'll trickle off in a watery drip, unless you give it a warm place to bond along the way.
    Unlike steel which puddles up slow and syrup-like allowing you more time to create a path for it to stick.

    If appearance means something, and you're worried about the sloppy bead you've laid down, then you can go over it again getting it all even and beautiful on a second pass. The reheating however, weakens the weldment so only do this where looks are important.
    • Re: Vertical gas-welding technique video clip?

      Thu, October 15, 2009 - 8:36 AM
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      Briggi,
      I got to say it may just be what you are used to, for me welding and brazing uphill is much much easier...
      this way you have something to build on... less off drip.


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      • Re: Vertical gas-welding technique video clip?

        Thu, October 15, 2009 - 9:08 AM
        Go with what works for you --- for your own reasons.

        You'll notice, in the first part of the video, when he's demonstrating the upwards technique, that the rod (in this case mild steel) is applied *above* the flame, so that the molten material can flow *down* into the puddle. Then he moves the puddle up and again introduces more molten material from above.
        So what is called the upwards way is in reality a series of many short *downward* flowing applications put together in an upward direction by heat convection when the torch heats the area immediately ahead of the downward applied material in order to push the puddle upward. So no matter how you slice and dice it, the downward direction is going to be the simpler more natural quicker technique because it "goes with the flow".

        But I can think of some situations where you might need to work from down to up, and that's where mastery of the upward method will prove useful.

        As to brazing, try bridging a wider opening, say 1/8" of daylight between joins, attempting both upward and down, and you'll see just what I'm talking about. No matter how you've succeeded in doing it until now, there are two undeniable facts to reckon with :
        liquids flow downward,... and, the welder needs to be in control of his materials.
        • Re: Vertical gas-welding technique video clip?

          Thu, October 15, 2009 - 9:18 AM
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          I guess I like building on something... the puddle bridges the gap and solidifies, and then you build up from there... like water sand on a sandcastle...
          feels to me like better penetration because you are able to keep the puddle wet without concern of burning holes in the walls as much (you got nothing to back them up with in downward welding)...
          this is why it seems more natural to me.

          downward, feels more awkward because you seem to be "undermining" the weld each time...


          but as you say...
          "Go with what works for you --- for your own reason"


          although as demonstrated in the video...
          getting good at doing it either way is a pretty great idea too.



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