Any one ever removed popcorn ceiling?

topic posted Sun, February 20, 2005 - 5:14 PM by  robin
Any one ever removed popcorn ceiling? I have popcorn on my ceiling and want it removed. How hard is it to remove yourself and how much does it cost to have someone else do it?
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robin
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    Mon, February 21, 2005 - 12:02 AM
    depends on how high the ceiling is...if it is your standard hight, then get a step stool and a 8" putty knife...cover the floor well and scrape away....taller ceilings hire someone...it is not worth falling or killing yourself...oh, and wear a dust mask. Generally, when it is done you will find a sheetrocked and taped ceiling that needs to be primed and re-covered with paint or what ever....Also check out some of the Home Depot books on the subject too....
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      Mon, February 21, 2005 - 9:18 AM
      It's frickin' expensive to pay someone to do it. $1600 for 500 sq. ft. was one estimate. That included retexturing, priming, and painting. You could do those things yourself and reduce the cost some. However, it's labor intensive to remove the popcorn and clean it up.
      Good luck!
      Scott
      PS - You could always use ceiling paint with a nappy roller and cover it. Makes a huge difference!
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        Mon, February 21, 2005 - 9:06 PM
        I think I am going to try my bed room first and see how it goes. I am thinking if I do part maybe I can pay someone to cone in a finish. We will see. Thanks for the help!!
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          Tue, March 22, 2005 - 5:00 PM

          Before you do it, check to see what kind of material it is made of. I have heard that some of those really old 60-era popcorn ceilings are made of some serious caustic shit.

          And, I have heard that if you spray it first and let it soak, it comes of way, way easier.

          No matter what you do, you'll have to sand it down after you chisel off most of the popcorn shit, so get ready for that. It's a horrid job to do on a ceiling as it hurts your arms like you can't imagine even if you're in good shape.

          Let us know how it works.
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    Mon, February 21, 2005 - 9:11 PM
    i guess jokes about adding some butter and salt and renting a movie aren't really what you're looking for, hmm...
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      Mon, February 21, 2005 - 10:42 PM
      Tryed that with some beer and all I got was a wicked hangover! MMM Butter thats a thought, maybe if I get some stoners to come over they will eat it!
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        Wed, February 23, 2005 - 9:32 AM
        warning:asbestos-containing coatings!

        a how to on this link as well as info on asbestos:
        www.asktooltalk.com/home/qan...iling.htm

        "A word of caution about your popcorn ceiling! The application of sprayed-on asbestos-containing coatings was banned in 1978, but a lot of popcorn ceilings installed as late as 1986 contain asbestos in the mixture. It’s possible that your ceiling contains an asbestos level of 3 to 8 percent. I cannot stress enough how important it is to treat your ceiling as though it contains asbestos. Don’t get the notion you can scrape the popcorn off the ceiling today without doing your homework. Learn about asbestos and consider the consequences before you begin."


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          Wed, February 23, 2005 - 9:40 AM
          www.asbestostesting.com/

          Western Analytical is an independent asbestos analysis laboratory located in Arleta, California, just 10 miles Northeast of Los Angeles. We provide affordable, quick turnaround asbestos testing for home owners/buyers/sellers, realtors and environmental consultants nationwide. We also provide testing to international customers with asbestos testing needs.
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          Wed, February 23, 2005 - 2:48 PM
          There is no asbestos it was disclosed in the sale. Thanks for the warning though!
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            Thu, February 24, 2005 - 9:51 AM
            As someone else said, I'd test it anyway. I just googled around, and you can get an asbestos test kit for about ten bucks.

            doityourself.com/home-safe...bestos.htm
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              Thu, February 24, 2005 - 10:11 AM
              GOOD FIND!
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                Thu, February 24, 2005 - 3:58 PM
                If you do decide to remove your popcorn ceiling. Using water helps alot. Just make sure not to get it too wet. Get one of those canisters that you use for spraying your plants. Just mist the ceiling. The popcorn texture will soak it up like a sponge,too much water and it will get into the sheetrock,and you dont want that. Throw some plastic on the floor and an 8" drywall knife works great.

                One thing to consider,besides the health risks. Is that it is "Illegal" to dump anything containing asbestos,without being licensed to do it.

                You should wear a resperator while doing this kind of work. You never know what is in the stuff that is raining down on your head....Have Fun...The Reverend
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                  Tue, March 22, 2005 - 5:02 PM

                  Yeah - no doubt on the resperator tip.

                  Get one of the good ones that covers your mouth and nose completely.

                  I did some sanding a few years ago without one, and now I have ruined my nasal passages and the smellerific nerves forever.
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                  Wed, March 23, 2005 - 6:32 AM
                  Rev wrote:
                  >" If you do decide to remove your popcorn ceiling. Using water helps alot. Just make sure not to get it too wet. Get one of those canisters that you use for spraying your plants. Just mist the ceiling. The popcorn texture will soak it up like a sponge,too much water and it will get into the sheetrock,and you dont want that. Throw some plastic on the floor and an 8" drywall knife works great."<

                  This is the best way to do it. One thing I would add though is if it has been painted with a latex paint you need to score the surface so it will take water.

                  >"One thing to consider,besides the health risks. Is that it is "Illegal" to dump anything containing asbestos,without being licensed to do it. "<

                  This is a BIIIGG deal here in Washington with fines running upward of $10,000 for illeagal dumping of hazmat. As others have said make sure you test regardless of what was disclosed on the sale. It is cheaper than the hospital bill should you inhale it. Anytime I am faced with a job like that I assume it is asbestos unless the home was built post 1990. Even then I use a respirator cause it sucks to caugh up white powdered crap.

                  JSin
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    Wed, February 23, 2005 - 9:04 PM
    I also want to get rid of my popcorn ceilings and a friend of mine who is a painter told me that spraying the ceiling with water first significantly helps the scraping process. He also stated that after spraying, wait about an hour. I havent tried it myself yet, but I thought of doing a test area with both processes and trying it out. Good luck! I do know it is a messy process.
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    Tue, March 22, 2005 - 3:29 PM
    Hi I am a new member and I have actually done this is many rooms in my house.

    First and foremost test the ceiling for asbestos. Then lightly spray the ceiling in 1x1 foot squares with water. If you are not going to repaint the walls then tape up sheet plastic to the walls but definately spread drop cloths everywhere because it is very messy. Also wear your "grubbies" because as the damp painted crumbs land on the floor they 'glue' together and get on everything. Also be careful so you don't 'fling' the goop around because it will stick to the walls and dry, then you have to scrape it off there.

    Next use a 4-5" putty knife at a 45 or more degree angle to the ceiling and scrape but be careful you are not digging into the sheet rock.

    More than likely the ceiling is not finished under the ceiling texture, meaning it is just sheet rock and sheet rock tape. There might be a thin layer of something under it or not. Now you will need to recoat the ceiling with mud of some kind and then paint.

    Accoustical (popcorn) ceilings is a texture that is blown on to the surface from a mud gun. The popcorn look is because the texture has not be "knocked down" (technical terms for it). If you want a smooth texture like orange skin--spray up new mud, let it set up for a few minutes and then take the putty knife and "knock it down" meaning you scrape the peaks of the top but leave a soft texture behind. If you want a totaly smooth texture--spackle up the mud in long over lapping sections. It takes a skilled hand to make the mud totally smooth.

    Take a look at your walls, if they have a fine texture to them, you are better off spraying and knocking down the mud so it all matches.

    You can buy the mud a home improvment center and you can either rent and industrial blower from a contractor supply or you can buy a small hand-held gun at the home improvement center also. You can mix things into the mud specifically for ceilings, like glitter! (think 50's twinkling ceilings). Lastly you paint over the new texture.

    Words of Wisdom learned the hard way: Cover your hair when you spray the mud and wear eye protection when you spray. Give yourself lots of time because working over your head is tiresome work.
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    Tue, March 22, 2005 - 11:59 PM
    I agree: Take every precaution about asbestos. I think tearing down the ceiling improperly could also leave a lot of asbestos in your environment. You might want to consider covering it up with sheetrock instead.

    Funny that you call it popcorn...we always called it cottage cheese.
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    Wed, March 23, 2005 - 1:58 AM
    I've never done it, but I've watched it being done... The guys I was with used warm water... Spray it, let it soak, then scrape it. Cover everything is good advice, because that stuff seems to splatter...
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      Wed, March 23, 2005 - 1:44 PM
      I did mine. It was easy. Like a dummy I didn't wear a mask or goggles. (I mean, goodness, why!!) I did the water and scrape thing. Didn't even THINK of asbestos. AHHHH, remodeling! Scrapings went out with the trash!! This place was built in 76 so I figure (hope?) I'm safe.
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        Sun, March 27, 2005 - 6:26 PM
        Hey wicked good advice here.. Glad I joined this tribe!! No accoustic ceiling in my place, but man do I have some projects! My 2 cts. though is as with any project like this good preparation is time well spent
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          Thu, April 21, 2005 - 10:24 AM
          We used the water technique to remove the popcorn ceilings in the dining room, and living room of our 1911 house. It was extremely messy, but very easy. We thought we could move on and do other rooms in our house too, but found that the other ceilings were covered with another type of popcorn, and it didn't go very well....

          to be honest, it is 4 years since we started scraping one of the ceilings, and we never finished it because it was so miserable, and it tore the drywall.
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      Tue, March 29, 2005 - 6:45 PM
      that's kind of how we stripped the wallpaper in my house, only with a steamer, some putty knives, and a looooooooot of patience. re-grouting the bathtub might be more fun.
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        Sun, April 17, 2005 - 8:15 PM
        Popcorn ceilings - a major pet peeve of mine... yeech!

        It's messy and a pain in the neck, literally, but not difficult. Cover everything with disposable plastic dropclothe because it'll be really messy when that stuff starts glopping off. Get a really wide putty knife or taping knife and several squirt bottles filled with water. Spray the ceiling good and let it soak in. It will soak up a ton of water and eventually get really soft and mucky. You should then be able to scrape it off without much trouble. The worst part will be re-taping, mudding, texturing and sanding the ceiling underneath to make it look good again....
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    Mon, May 5, 2008 - 6:46 AM
    Removal of a popcorn ceiling is a lot of work but can be done by the do-it-yourself person. If you have never done drywall work before you will probably find the sheetrock repair along with texturing the freshly removed ceiling to be the most challenging areas. One of the recommended resources on this page is actually a site that is selling a manual for eight dollars and change. There are several sites out there, including this one, that have step-by-step instructions posting on line and don't charge for the information.

    bigrehab.com/acoustic-ce...how-to-guide

    I recommend that you give it a look and If you do decide to take on the project do one small room first to get the procedures down. You will be fine.
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    Mon, May 5, 2008 - 5:56 PM
    Did it myself on a 7-ft. tall standard living room ceiling about 16-ft. by 12-ft. square space, using a step stool.
    It was slowwwwww going and your neck and arms get tired, so perhaps go for a while and take breaks.
    Get a squirt bottle of water and WATER IT DOWN. That stuff is toxic if airborne as dust, so keep it wet and gooey.
    Squirt a section and run the putty knife along a section.
    You will likely begin to see the tape marks from the panels of drywall, 'cuz most of the time they just spray the stuff right on top of the tape.
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      Tue, May 6, 2008 - 12:51 PM
      Wow, this is an old post.

      I smooth some out that was on my ceiling. Wetting it sure makes a difference. Although my ceiling is all plaster/lathe, if I had a modern house, I would have just ripped down the drywall and put up new pieces. So much quicker and easier.
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    Wed, May 7, 2008 - 4:08 PM
    From my understanding, that type of ceiling has small amounts of abspestos in it.
    Supposedly it is not much, but enough that someone will probably charge you some sort of hazmat removal fee.
    On the other hand, I've heard that you can remove it yourself by using a spray bottle and soaking the material before scrapping it off with a putty knife, thus minimizing any dust creating during the removal. It's the breathing of the dust that appears to be the hazzard.
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      Wed, May 7, 2008 - 4:59 PM
      If it was installed before 1989, that is possible. Best to get it tested before doing yourself. And another advantage of just ripping the ceiling down and just putting up new drywall. Or if you don't mind loosing a half inch+ height, then just install new drywall directly over the popcorn.

      www.buzzle.com/articles/p...bestos.html

      And from another site: "Sprayed-on ceiling asbestos - This was common in the 1960s and earlier. This material can be very hazardous. The popcorn ceilings on the west coast, mostly in California, are typically made from an asbestos-containing material. The popcorn ceilings in the Midwest and on the East coast typically do not contain asbestos."

      Googling "Popcorn" and "Asbestos" comes up with many many links. www.google.com/search
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        Wed, May 7, 2008 - 6:49 PM
        I'm a consultant about asbestos issues. I've been seeing some good advice and some bad. Please let me lay out some info:

        First, asbestos is STILL being imported and installed to the US (thank you NAFTA). There is no cutoff date for installation so there's no way to tell if a material contains it or not unless you test it. There ARE construction dates where a material is more likely to contain asbestos. Pre-1980 popcorn ceilings are very suspect.... until you have the material tested you should assume it contains asbestos.

        A "small" amount of asbestos is still dangerous. Even the federal government says there is NO safe level of exposure. It's more dangerous if you're a smoker. The government says that a material that is composed of at least 1% of asbestos is dangerous and requires special handling. The state of California says that if a material contains at least 0.01% asbestos, it poses a threat to workers and a licensed contractor has to remove it, if you hire the work out.

        Back to the 1% thing... if it contains more than 1% asbestos it has to be disposed in a hazmat landfill. If you get caught you will get a big fine. States have varying levels of enforcement but I live in California, where if you get caught they won't go easy on you. All it really takes is for a neighbor to make a phone call.

        The official recommendation for removing asbestos-containing popcorn ceiling is to hire a licensed contractor.

        Wetting helps, but the way asbestos grows really makes it resistant to wetting. If you want to try wetting it, add some detergent in the water. The surfactant quality will help the water penetrate the fibers better. The typical type of asbestos used in ceilings is a little more apt to become wet than some others, which is good news.

        I tend to lean toward the more conservative opinion but wanted in general I don't think the potential health effects are worth a nicer ceiling - my opinion.

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