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We have an older top-loader that has a low/small water setting that's not always low enough. I'd like a simple way to use less water when I don't have enough to fill it up. Is there some way to trigger it to make it think it's full, or something creative you can put in there that will take up space other than clothing?
Thanks for any ideas.
Megan
Thanks for any ideas.
Megan
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Re: How to fool a washing machine into doing a smaller load
Mon, May 25, 2009 - 2:44 PMyou could always turn *off* the water supply (spigot behind/above washer) when you deem it full enough, then turn it back on and do the same for the rinse cycle. or try hand-washing in a bucket or tub; a friend in the mountains likes to put her dirty clothes, plus soap and water into a lidded and bungeed rubbermaid garbage can, then drive to town on dirt roads with it in the back of her truck --- this equals a wash cycle --- then she drains it, refills with fresh water, and drives on some other errands to do the rinse. creative ~ ha!
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Re: How to fool a washing machine into doing a smaller load
Mon, May 25, 2009 - 4:08 PMThere are not many places in the country where water use is an issue. I know this is heresy but it's true.
As a general proposition the water you use and waste ends up going right back into the aquifer where you drew it from.
This is not the case with much of California ( the reason water is an issue in the first place) because CA takes water from aquifers that are very far away and then when it's waste they dump it in the ocean.
This use of CA of the water, depletes aquifers.
But when I pump water from my well and then re-cycle it into my septic tank and leach field it re-nters the same aquifer after the soil purifies it.
So unless your water comes from far away or unless you are dumping your waste in a river or an ocean it never leaves your local area.
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Re: How to fool a washing machine into doing a smaller load
Mon, May 25, 2009 - 7:24 PMGo for a swim with your cloths on now and then. Sucks in January though.
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Re: How to fool a washing machine into doing a smaller load
Tue, May 26, 2009 - 5:52 AMOne problem you are going to encounter is the fill level sensor. On most machines it's mechanical and to fool it you gotta move it or add something to the outer tub that will take the place of the water you don't want in there.
That would be a seriously bothersome undertaking. You'd have to take the machine apart unscrew the central post and lift out the washer basket and then what ever you put in there to displace water would have to: (a) not bang up the tub, (b) not abrade the paint and open the steel to rust, (c) not interfere with the basket.
I don't see it as a realistic undertaking.
In the alternative you might move the Fill level sensor. But you might have to drill holes in the outer tub and you might never be able to run a full load again. It'd be a commitment
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Tue, May 26, 2009 - 6:57 AMOrrrrrrr...you could just wait until you have enough for a small load, hmmmmm. -
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Re: How to fool a washing machine into doing a smaller load
Tue, May 26, 2009 - 9:07 AMwell there is that.
I can't speak to the poster's mind set or original intent but, it is often the case that people get an idea and want to explore it a bit to see if there's even a touch of feasibility to it. -
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Re: How to fool a washing machine into doing a smaller load
Tue, May 26, 2009 - 11:09 AMWater use is an issue for me because 1) It uses energy to pump it up from the well. 2) I don't like dirtying and drawing up more water than I need.
The small setting is very large on our old machine, and we do plenty of bucket washing and shower washing of clothing, but sometimes it gets old. What I was asking for was if there was a simple way to trick the sensor. Thank you, Cliff, for explaining how that might be done, and for warning that it's complicated and may fail. We're working on making a pedal-powered machine, but that will be a while now that all the garden projects have taken over. -
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Tue, May 26, 2009 - 1:06 PM*************Water use is an issue for me because 1) It uses energy to pump it up from the well. 2) I don't like dirtying and drawing up more water than I need.****************
As to #1. I think that so long as you have a full size machine you are stuck with the amount of water it was designed to use.
There are small "apartment" sized machines that work well and use very little water. But then there is the cost to purchase one.
As to #2 Well It all comes out in the wash. Only in this case the washing is done by nature. The soil will clean the water. It does it for all the animals that excrete on the surface. After dirty water passes through a certain amount of soil and experiences a certain amount of biological activity it is cleansed as pure as you please and is returned to the aquifers.
This is not the case for water that is contaminated with VOCs, and other things like PCPs etc. They don't come out in the soil so well.
Those things need time to decompose. Usually the time needed is longer than the time it'll take to return to the aquifer.
**********The small setting is very large on our old machine, and we do plenty of bucket washing and shower washing of clothing, but sometimes it gets old.*************
I can guess that it might.
********** What I was asking for was if there was a simple way to trick the sensor. Thank you, Cliff, for explaining how that might be done, and for warning that it's complicated and may fail.************
Sorry I couldn't drive the nail home for ya.
As an aside why not grab a junked washer and experiment on that ? There's lots of machines that work fine but were not so snazzy as the New Bosch or Melie that replaced it. So they got junked. That's what happened to my last machine,. I got a snazzy new one and tossed the old. I forget which broke the dryer or washer. I bet it was the dryer, they break more often.
That way you don't risk the machine you have.
*************We're working on making a pedal-powered machine, but that will be a while now that all the garden projects have taken over.***************
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Re: How to fool a washing machine into doing a smaller load
Tue, May 26, 2009 - 1:29 PMidea:
Install a second sensor at the desired lower level than the first. Sensor can be culled from a discarded unit... plenty of em at the dump.
The second, lower sensor is hooked into the same connections as the first, however you place a toggle switch into the circuit that will give you to select wether you want the cycle occurring at low water level or at normal water level.
This fix may be beyond the scope of your average housewife, but maybe a local handyperson could take it on.
The alternative is to reduce water fill level through displacement -- that is you put other stuff in with the wash load -- not to wash it but to take up space that the water ordinarilly would. Such displacement fillers could be something like golfballs or other items heavy enough to keep from floating. -
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Tue, May 26, 2009 - 1:53 PMThat's actually a very good idea. -
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Tue, May 26, 2009 - 2:04 PMIf you're filling by hand any way. just hook the sensor wires together, bi passing the sensor all together. it will run with what ever level of water you have in it. -
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Re: How to fool a washing machine into doing a smaller load
Tue, May 26, 2009 - 2:44 PMAnd now the really easy answers come flooding in.
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Tue, May 26, 2009 - 4:11 PMDan no it won't. The machine changes water a few times while cycling through. The machine needs a sensor to tell it when to stop pouring water in each time.
Your way? You would be looking at a flooded cellar. Nice try. -
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Re: How to fool a washing machine into doing a smaller load
Wed, May 27, 2009 - 6:27 AMBriggi, It sounds like she is putting the water in manually. If the hose connection on the washer is used and the washer does it's thing automatically, then no, bi passing won't work. But if you add water manually for each cycle , it will.
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Re: How to fool a washing machine into doing a smaller load
Tue, May 26, 2009 - 5:24 PM<fillers could be something like golfballs >
I'm going down to use the laundromat with a couple sets of undies and three dozen golf balls just to see what happens on the spin cycle! (JK) -
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Re: How to fool a washing machine into doing a smaller load
Tue, May 26, 2009 - 7:17 PM---- does anyone know if golfballs float or not?
Maybe you'd be safer with hockey pucks. -
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Wed, May 27, 2009 - 5:38 PMTo clarify, I'm not putting the water in manually. The washing machine does that part.
I can't remember if golf balls float or not. Hockey pucks sound like they might do some serious damage flying around in the spin cycle, but I guess the clothes would be somewhat of a buffer.
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Re: How to fool a washing machine into doing a smaller load
Wed, May 27, 2009 - 7:44 PMHockey pucks would damage the cloths by scuffing 'em with black rubber. Golf balls would work marvelously if they didn't float too well because being smooth and scuff free they won't damage anything and will increase agitation.
In spin cycle nothing will fly around because centripetal force will trap everything against the side walls of the tub.
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Wed, May 27, 2009 - 8:15 PMI think golf-ball washed jeans will be a new fad. -
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Wed, May 27, 2009 - 8:17 PMOh and hell no they don;'t float!!
How many times have you seen your drive gone "off the beach" into the water and bob on the top?? Never, that's what. -
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Re: How to fool a washing machine into doing a smaller load
Thu, May 28, 2009 - 1:59 PMAnd the best part is you can steal golf balls pretty easy.
Oh wait ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
Actually you can purchase used balls pretty cheap by the bag. I'd guess they'd last nearly forever in a washing machine. -
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Re: How to fool a washing machine into doing a smaller load
Thu, May 28, 2009 - 2:03 PMI can't begin to imagine the thrashing your clothes would get with a load full of golf balls, or anything else besides clothes for that matter. sounds to me like handwashing would be easier, and not destroy your clothing.
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Re: How to fool a washing machine into doing a smaller load -- plastic bottles?
Thu, May 28, 2009 - 6:54 PMMegan
The object is to find something that would be a good and efficient displacer of washer fill water.
The displacing object(s) should have these characteristics>
- would have to sink down rather than float
- should not absorb water, but displace it.
- should not interfere with mechanical movements.
- should not damage laundry
- should be close to the specific gravity of water.
I have been thinking about your question. I'm looking for something better than balls & pucks. Golfballs, or pucks, have some of these advantages, but may be heavy enough so that over time might obstruct the swirling paddle motion of the central cone to make for increased wear and tear on the machine. These items would not harm cloth being washed. Have you ever tried to throw something underwater? Didn't get too far did it. Water resistance prevents items from hurtling about uncontrolably. Instead these items would exert a pummeling effect, which would actually help the wash along. The hard objects would go to the walls during spin as a consequence of centrifugal force. But still I'm looking to advise a better/best option.
So having thought about it, I'd like for you to try this, Megan>
Fill small plastic 6 - 10 0z. plastic drink bottles with water, and cap them tight. Get about 10 to 20 of these into the tub. Then fill with laundry & detergent. Let her rip.
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Re: How to fool a washing machine into doing a smaller load -- plastic bottles?
Sat, May 30, 2009 - 8:12 AMAll of that Briggi P, is why I like golf balls in this application.
They are smooth and round and tough as nails and as some one stated don't float well.
The agitator would shove 'em around pretty well I should think. And because they are a bit heavier than water they might tend to collect toward the bottom of the tub during that slow wind up to spin cycle and remain there not being all intermingles with the cloths.
I mentioned earlier that I thought this might be something of merit on a larger scale. I honestly think the idea is patentable and marketable. Some one could get rich or at least richer than they are. . Get golf balls made with some logo and go find Billy Mays;
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Re: How to fool a washing machine into doing a smaller load -- plastic bottles?
Sat, May 30, 2009 - 10:07 PMCliff I'll bet that with all of the innovative creative problem solving brainpower going on in this tribe, an ambitious patent attorney could have a field day and make a few bucks too by harnessing some of what's going on here. -
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Re: How to fool a washing machine into doing a smaller load -- plastic bottles?
Sun, May 31, 2009 - 6:45 AMEvery once in a while there are sparks of genius.
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Re: How to fool a washing machine into doing a smaller load
Sun, May 31, 2009 - 8:05 AMGolf balls sink. Some divers make a living recovering and reselling golf balls from "water hazards."
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Re: How to fool a washing machine into doing a smaller load
Wed, May 27, 2009 - 10:08 PM
Do you know that the largest irrigated crop in America is lawn?
do you know that if all the waters of the planet we represented as a five gallon bucket...
fresh water would be two table spoons.
the midwest, the southwest...
they have plentiful aquafirs???
to say that water use and conservation is not an issue is purely ignorant.
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Re: How to fool a washing machine into doing a smaller load
Thu, May 28, 2009 - 12:34 PM**********to say that water use and conservation is not an issue is purely ignorant.**************
Point taken. However the great wasters of water are Southern California, Las Vegas, and irresponsible agriculture.
Ca and Las Vegas are wasting because they take from distant aquifers and don't return the water to those aquifers when they are done with it. This means it goes somewhere else. If they dump it in the Ocean it become saline. If they dump it in a river it becomes transported elsewhere possibly to another aquifer or the sea. However eitherway the aquifer from which it was taken does not get the water back and that's a problem
Agriculture may pump and dump locally but the combination of evaporation into the air and aspiration from the plants into the air causes the water to travel to some other location usually very far away and either enters the sea or another aquifer.
In the north east we are drowning in water to the point that in the law water is treated under the "Common Enemy" doctrine.
If you are pumping your own water locally and not dumping your waste in a river or ocean then your waste will return to the aquifer from which you pumped it after the soil purifies it.
However, the contention that water is some how lost is pure nonsense. The water molecule remains water unless you break it apart to make oxygen and hydrogen. So no matter what form it takes whether it's dirty, or saline it can still be purified and used by humans. So worrying about the actual of fresh water volumes in comparison to salt water is pretty pointless.
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Re: How to fool a washing machine into doing a smaller load
Thu, May 28, 2009 - 12:52 PMActually Las Vegas takes it's water from the Colorado river... Specifically Lake Mead. This is the same river system that feeds all the wasteful ranching and farming on the Colorado plateau. Yes Vegas does waste water.. I am not denying that... It does not go into the ocean when done... It is returned to lake mead after processing. This is a huge reason why here in Vegas the Chlorine level is apx 1.6 ppm, to give you an idea how high that is most home swimming pools run a chlorine level of 2.0 ppm. In the natural flow of water down the Colorado the return amount yes does go to the sea... Far more though is lost through Evaporation and basic convection.
Most of that water is not taken from Aquifers as well. It is taken from Snow melt in the Rockys. That melt runs down the hill and into tributaries and eventually into the Colorado.
Southern California is also not fed from Aquifers, though there are a few there like the Arrowhead Aquifer. The Bulk of it comes down from the Sierra Nevadas. In this case it is moved through huge Canals to the LA Basin. I am not certain how they deal with their waste water.
As far as the original inquiry.. A better use of your wash water is to use a proper detergent <many grey water recycling sites can tell you what types> create a settling trough and veg filter and re use the water to feed plants and the like... The more times you use water the more effective the savings is.
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Re: How to fool a washing machine into doing a smaller load
Thu, May 28, 2009 - 1:40 PMIf you use a detergent like Seventh Generation you can recycle the water for irrigation. Unless you are washing dirty diapers or you often poop your pants there's no reason you can't use the water on the landscaping. I don't use it in the veggie garden but some folks use it on fruit trees.
I have 2 big buckets (cast offs from Dairy Queen). One load will fill them both. When I don't need the extra water for the bushes I use it to flush the toilet. In almost 3 years I have yet to use more than the minimum billable amount of water. I figure I save a bundle on the bill.
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Thu, May 28, 2009 - 2:06 PM***************. It does not go into the ocean when done... It is returned to lake mead after processing. ************
WOW I didn't know that.
************This is a huge reason why here in Vegas the Chlorine level is apx 1.6 ppm, to give you an idea how high that is most home swimming pools run a chlorine level of 2.0 ppm.*************
My in-ground has a chlorine level that can cure AIDS and drug resistant tuberculosis in less than a half hour of swimming.
One might think that they could remove the chlorine by heating & aerating the water and flashing it off. Then they could recapture the chlorine and reuse it.
*****************Most of that water is not taken from Aquifers as well. It is taken from Snow melt in the Rockys. That melt runs down the hill and into tributaries and eventually into the Colorado.***************
So the evil predators are stealing all that snow melt from the little itty bitty aneemules. I'm surprised that isn't a cause du jure among the crazies too.
************Southern California is also not fed from Aquifers, though there are a few there like the Arrowhead Aquifer. The Bulk of it comes down from the Sierra Nevadas. In this case it is moved through huge Canals to the LA Basin. I am not certain how they deal with their waste water.**************
Bear in mind that the aquifers that these water flows that are siphoned off would have contributed to aquifer replenishment.
Every thing has to come from somewhere. At least that's what I told the immigration officer.
************As far as the original inquiry.. A better use of your wash water is to use a proper detergent <many grey water recycling sites can tell you what types> create a settling trough and veg filter and re use the water to feed plants and the like... The more times you use water the more effective the savings i**********
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Thu, May 28, 2009 - 7:06 PMWater is still too cheap for people to take misusing it seriously.
Similar to the price of gasoline,---
when market forces drive up the price of fresh water then people will all of a sudden get real smart and economical about how to use water right.
Meantime, in places like India & China, the drink-water wells get closer and closer to the shitholes. Long-term effect is mutative growth of entirely new and higher levels of cultural resistance to pathogens. -
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Re: How to fool a washing machine into doing a smaller load
Sat, May 30, 2009 - 7:31 AMThank you, Briggi for the water bottle idea. Before I started this thread, I had considered something similar, thinking about how people use plastic bottles to displace water in toilet tanks for the same reason. But my brain got stuck on the idea of a larger vinegar-sized plastic bottle, which obviously wouldn't fit between the agitator and the side. I had assumed the smaller, flimsier bottles (the type that hold water from the grocery store) would be torn up in no time, due to the dry spin action.
Your post reminded me that there are other options- we have a bunch of old nalgene and more sturdy smaller plastic water bottles that should work much better than the ones I had in mind.
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Sun, May 31, 2009 - 8:14 AMWhy not just add a few towels or a blanket to the load, whether they need a wash or not? -
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Re: How to fool a washing machine into doing a smaller load
Mon, June 1, 2009 - 1:20 PMwell, what I do (also have the older model washer) when I have just 2-3 things is I wash them by hand in the sink, rinse lightly, toss them in the washer, spacing them evenly, pull out the knob and turn it to SPIN and push it in and voila! it rinses and spins them. A couple of minutes hand washing is as effective as a full wash cycle because you're focusing and really scrubbing on just those few items. If it's lightweight stuff, you can use the "spin" that's part of the delicate cycle, if you have one. It can be a little bit nervewracking, true, until you learn exactly the spot to turn the dial to. You want to avoid the long "drain" part that occurs before the spin part officially begins. You should stand by until the spin cycle is in full swing just in case there's any kind of imbalance problem. I use this method when I want them wrung out well for the dryer; if I don't care and I have time, I'll just hand wash them all the way and roll them up in a towel to squeeze the excess water out, and line dry.
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Re: How to fool a washing machine into doing a smaller load
Sat, May 30, 2009 - 7:23 AMCliff wrote:
>"*****************Most of that water is not taken from Aquifers as well. It is taken from Snow melt in the Rockys. That melt runs down the hill and into tributaries and eventually into the Colorado.***************
So the evil predators are stealing all that snow melt from the little itty bitty aneemules. I'm surprised that isn't a cause du jure among the crazies too."<
In some ways it is. The biggest problem and biggest waste of water in the Rockies is the cattle industry. Their use of water even when compared to the waste we see here in Vegas makes the Bellagio Fountain look like a little kid playing with a hose in the yard. Water rights are and have been fought over for over a century, sometimes in court other times with a rifle. Much of the reason the Colorado no longer reaches the Sea of Cortez is the beef on American tables. I hold little hope that the eating habits of Americans are going to change to crops far more compatible with the high plains any time soon, though bison to my tastes is far superior to beef and is evolved to deal with a limited water supply as you find in those high plain areas. Rather than worry about a couple more gallons in your washing machine change of diet makes a bigger difference.
For Cali, the idea of growing tomatos in the desert, again huge waste of water compared to household consumption. You wanna save water. Buy local and seasonal. You may not have tomatos for your cheeseburger in December, and you may actually have to eat a turnip but the water savings on a global level is significantly more. This is a case where the system is broken and people are delusional about where the waste really is not to mention the pollution levels of the ground, surface and collective levels. Sure water doesn't go anywhere, unless we start a hydrogen economy, but we are really good at rendering it unusable.
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Re: How to fool a washing machine into doing a smaller load
Sat, May 30, 2009 - 8:15 AMAnimal protein is not the most efficient use of any of the resources it takes to produce it.
Eventually I expect genetic research to steer us in a direction where we grow animal proteins in a vat .
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Sat, May 30, 2009 - 11:54 AM""""""Animal protein is not the most efficient use of any of the resources it takes to produce it.""""
Meh, It's all about economy of scale.
A handful of cows on several acres actually enrich their environment.
Once again, local food is where it's at!
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Re: How to fool a washing machine into doing a smaller load
Mon, June 1, 2009 - 8:24 PMWell we have a great source of protien readily available though I doubt many would find it palatable... Can anyone say Soylent Green
On the issue of SW water though and the reduction of consumption... Here is a bit more info on the current situation in the SW out of the local paper down here:
www.lvrj.com/news/46614562.html
Definitely not an area that has a sustainable pop level and is only going to get worse because the stocks of water that feed the Colorado are very much down during the drought that has existed for quite a while now.
While I may currently live here, not a place I am planjning to stay mostly because of the issues of keeping a large population on artificial respiration as it were.
JSin
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Re: How to fool a washing machine into doing a smaller load
Sat, May 30, 2009 - 2:49 PMtake your old detergent bottles and push them in the water until the water level rises and the machine thinks its full. or if your too lazy, fill them with something so they sink, like water or whatever. -
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Re: How to fool a washing machine into doing a smaller load
Mon, June 1, 2009 - 10:06 PMI was thinking about the golf balls hurting the clothing bit. . . you know. . . up like twenty posts. . . I would consider putting the golf balls in bags - those mesh ones they make for washing bras, or even old pillowcases. sealing it up so it acted as a weight on the bottom of the washer for the sensor, but not causing golf balls to be mixed in with your clothes.
Also, you could add a plastic tie down - using a non=water soluable epoxy glue (sold in most paint departments of hardware stores) and attatching a hook to both sides of the washingmachine. Allowing you to add two bags of golf balls evenly to the washer to make sure you dnon't affect the spin cycle balance, but at the same time making it easy to remove for large loads. (4 small bags would be even better.)
Anyway, just my two cents.
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Re: How to fool a washing machine into doing a smaller load
Mon, June 8, 2009 - 5:44 AMMeredith and others- thanks for more great ideas! I think we need a separate thread now for the water conservation discussion, if the topic is still of interest. More people might join in if it's not attached to a washing machine header. :-)
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Re: How to fool a washing machine into doing a smaller load
Fri, June 12, 2009 - 5:29 AMOh this is real easy ! The level is set by means of a simple pressure switch. Look for a hose coming from the bottom of the washer tub....as the water level comes up it traps air in there and the pressure activates the switch....VOILA! Like everything else mechanical, it has a certain range of adjustment....turn the screw one way or the other to adjust......very easy.
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Fri, June 12, 2009 - 9:51 AMBruce that pressure -activated sensor/switch may be inaccessable -- buried deep inside the works, and hard to reach for the odd occasional half-load adjustment. What do you think of my idea, outlined above, to install a second sensor, once you've got the machine opened up, and then run wire from both sensors to an unobtrusively positioned small toggle switch which could select wether you wanted the low or the high water setting?
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