USB supplied power.

topic posted Wed, July 8, 2009 - 11:30 AM by  offlineNorman
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There has a bit of discussion about USB power supplies and various voltage levels mentioned so I thought I'd wade through the technical specifications for an answer.

The source I am using is “Universal Serial Bus Specification” Rev 2.0 (April 27, 2000) signed by Compaq, Hewlett-Packard, Intel, Lucent, Microsoft, NEC, and Philips. It can be found at www.usb.org/developers/docs/ as part of the usb_20_052709.zip file which is the definition for USB 2.0. References are to the document usb_20.pdf.

Power is supplied via Vbus and is between 4.75 and 5.25 for high powered hubs and 4.4 and 5.25 for low powered hubs (ref. 7.2.2 Voltage Drop Budget)

The data voltage values are low (Vol) 0.3v (max) and high (Voh) 2.8v (min) (ref. 7.1.1 USB Driver Characteristics).

A complete description of the various plugs can be found in Chapter 6. I can't find a definition of the “mini” USB plugs. I didn't look very hard as I had to get to work. From my experience there is quite a variation between various plugs. For example there are at least 3 versions of the original “mini” plug like the one used in, Motorola, Blackberry, and Garmin products.

For more information I refer you to the document usb_20.pdf, all 650 pages, which is included in the above mentioned zip file.
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Norman
SF Bay Area
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  • Re: USB supplied power.

    Wed, July 8, 2009 - 11:41 AM
    > Also, USB is not 5V, but 3.5V (more or less)

    True... I was wrong...
    The standard is not 3.5V (I am currently working with a USB powered device that uses that voltage, that's why I wrote it).

    However, the voltage level alone is not guarantee that a USB power supply will charge a device, since some devices expect their own power supply (again, this is the case of the Motorola L2).
  • Re: USB supplied power.

    Wed, July 8, 2009 - 12:35 PM
    So boil it down for me will ya does all that mean that I CAN run my 5 horse power table saw off my USB or not?

    What about my mixer?

    And the burning question: Is the power free ?

    • Re: USB supplied power.

      Wed, July 8, 2009 - 3:46 PM
      > I CAN run my 5 horse power table saw off my USB or not?

      No

      > What about my mixer?

      A concrete mixer, a cooking mixer or an audio mixer?

      > Is the power free ?

      "Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will." (Frederick Douglass)
      • Re: USB supplied power.

        Thu, July 9, 2009 - 10:38 AM
        *************A concrete mixer, a cooking mixer or an audio mixer?************

        Concrete a BIG one.

        ***********> Is the power free ?
        "Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will." ***********

        Cool so I can get me whole bunch of USBs and become my own power company.

        Free power from a USB~!! Woo Hoo

        Now the really hard tecknikal question:
        Should I hook 'em in series or linear?
        Does that affect the amperage?
        Can I get 480 Amps with fewer than 20 USBs if I hook 'em up in series?

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