Spiders

topic posted Mon, October 22, 2007 - 12:13 PM by  Connie
Hi all, I searched for this but couldn't find a recent posting on getting rid of spiders.

We have all kinds. Orange ones with thick, short legs; creepy white ones with long legs; creepy brown ones with long legs (too fat to be a Daddy Long Legs), and I'm sure I've seen a Black Widow or three...

We live in a woodsy area (there is a Red Wood growing through our patio) so it's prime territory for these little boogers...

What is the best spray to get them to go and stay away??

I know, I know... they are good to keep other insects at bay, but we don't really have others. Maybe because of the spiders?? - I'm willing to risk it! I've heard of 2 people in the area getting bit by Brown Recluse spiders (one person DIED) and just don't want to risk the black widows shacking up with us!!

We don't have kids or pets so I don't care how strong it is. I prefer one of those spray things to a fogger.

Let me know what you think.

Thanks!
~C
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Connie
  • Re: Spiders

    Mon, October 22, 2007 - 12:20 PM
    I've learned that living with spiders and other insects is part of the joy of living in THEIR home (the woods). You came and built a house in their home and now want THEM gone? Seems like maybe they should be the ones looking for a spray to rid thier home of this killer pest.
    • Re: Spiders

      Mon, October 22, 2007 - 3:36 PM
      Hi Snowlover... *I* didn't go and build a home anywhere. I don't live in the woods. I live on a main street in decent sized town. I would never go into the woods and destroy an animal's habitat. (And you couldn't presume to know that about me, now could you???) The house was there long before these spiders were.

      I eat meat, wear leather shoes, drink alcohol, and have no problem killing a spider that's living in my house. Especially when poisonous spiders in the area have injured and killed people ( ! )

      I promise you ~ your name calling and lecture (type-o and all) is wasted on me.

      But thanks for the input :)
      • Re: Spiders

        Tue, October 23, 2007 - 9:46 AM
        You certainly made it sound like you live in the woods in your first post. So which is it, a town or woods?????

        BTW you can NEVER get rid of all the spiders, no matter how much poison you flood your house with, there will always be some lurking in a dark crevice waiting to crawl out while you sleep. Its ok though, the poison will kill all their food though and they'll be forced to find other creatures to feed on. You might as well learn to live with them.

        OMG you have a typo too, someone call the grammar police!
        • Re: Spiders

          Tue, October 23, 2007 - 10:15 AM
          ~~~>We live in a woodsy area

          We live in a town. There are trees. We're not "in the woods", but "woodsy" describes it pretty accurately. Does that make sense?

          If I offended you because I plan on killing these bugs... sorry 'bout that. I'd appreciate natural alternatives, if you have any to offer. But If you don't have ideas on how I can "do it myself", I don't see why you take the time to respond.


          BTW ~ I really don't mind type-os; but I'm not the one giving ethical lectures...
          • Re: Spiders

            Tue, October 23, 2007 - 10:37 AM
            I did offer you an alternative, learn to live with them. Its just not the option you want to hear, you've already settled on TRYING to poison them. Which I pointed out is not likely to work very well for you, something the people talking up poison are leaving out. Spiders are VERY hard to erradicate. YOU WILL NEVER GET RID OF ALL THE SPIDERS.
            • Re: Spiders

              Tue, October 23, 2007 - 11:45 AM
              I'm with Snowlover. You'll never get rid of them and black widows don't like to be around people, they hang out in low traffic areas. However, if you really want to slowly poison yourself and anyone who visits your home, you may want to at least warn women who are pregnant, children, or people with suppressed immune systems know you're doing that. Then they can decide for themselves how important a spider free environment is to them, since the spiders themselves are less dangerous.
              • Re: Spiders

                Wed, October 24, 2007 - 8:42 AM
                Hi MdJGutie, I'll remember to warn my friends. None of them are currently pregnant or have children (none that live close by, anyway) so at least we don't need to worry about that. Thanks for adding that point.
            • Re: Spiders

              Wed, October 24, 2007 - 8:37 AM
              Snowlover:

              I think what you don't want to hear is that I DON'T WANT TO LIVE WITH THEM. ((Seems like that would have been a no-brainer.)) So when you offer that as an "option", no, I don't see it as one.

              Again, if you have something helpful to add I'd love to hear it. Like below - I just read the idea of a bird feeder. I think we may try that for the outside. Which could cut down on the ones inside some...

              Thank you, I will try to rememer that I will never get rid of them all.
  • Re: Spiders

    Mon, October 22, 2007 - 12:33 PM
    Pyrithins are the best for spiders.

    I buy an Ortho Concentrate and use a mix of Denatured alcohol and water. The alcohol gets it in their system faster.

    It breaks down in about 10 - 12 days and is harmless. Also Pyrithins have negligible effect on mammals.

    The pyrithin interferes with the sodium exchange in their nerves.
    • Re: Spiders

      Mon, October 22, 2007 - 3:37 PM
      Thanks Cliff! I was hoping you would have an idea ~ you seem to know alot about these things.

      Is Denatued alcohol something I can find at a local hardware store?? (I've never heard of it)

      Thanks again!
      ~C
      • Re: Spiders

        Tue, October 23, 2007 - 12:28 PM
        YAh any BORG or Ace will have it by the gallon. It is easily ignited and causes severe burns so be careful.
        Unlike All petroleum products Alcohol does not have to be in vapor form to burn nor does it burn just a tad off the skin which is why people can play with fire and gas and get away with it.

        Alcohol burns the skin directly by bonding to the water in the skin. This way alcohol will produce almost instantaneous and severe burns if you get it ignited while it's on you.

        Oh and you can not drink it. Blindness Death that sort of thing
  • Re: Spiders

    Mon, October 22, 2007 - 2:44 PM
    Let the black widows, and brown recluse, battle it out ! I'm not sure about the recluse, but widows can only be killed by direct contact with the insectacide ( hotshot). And surprisingly, a number of othe non-venomus spiders are not affected buy bombing - fogging. If you DO get rid of the spiders, other bugs Will increase. If you don't want to live around a bunch of bugs, move out of thier neiborhood, I don't know to where, they out number us like a gazillion to one ! Personaly, if I can avoid roaches and FBI bugs, I'm happy.
    • Re: Spiders

      Mon, October 22, 2007 - 3:42 PM
      Hi Dan =)

      I wish these spiders were your average spiders. Good to know about the Widows... I'll have to leave a can in the shower (where they like to visit).

      Thanks!
      ~C
      • Re: Spiders

        Mon, October 22, 2007 - 3:51 PM
        Black widows tend to hide in the day and come out at night. My wife runs around the outside of the house with a flashlight and blasts them when they're out. Personally, I like to stomp-em.
  • Re: Spiders

    Tue, October 23, 2007 - 8:42 AM
    Connie,
    I'm glad you asked this question. My neighborhood is also heavily wooded and the spiders are about as numerous as the mosquitos. I don't recall seeing black widows, but I know there are brown recluse 'cause my oldest daughter caught one to take to school for a project of some sort. <<Kinda' freaked out the teacher, but we didn't know any better.>>

    As long as our paths don't cross, I'm fine - but my kids can't play in their treehouse because of spiders, the deck railings are heavily draped in webs and the family room is occasionally invaded by daddy-long-legs who apparently have a *nest* under the deck just outside the family room.

    Even with kids & pets, I'm tempted to use the most powerful stuff out there...
    • Re: Spiders

      Tue, October 23, 2007 - 10:21 AM
      Etana, please be careful with your little ones. Those Brown Recluse spiders are scary! A man I know (in his 40s) got bit on the leg (while he was sleeping, they think) and ended up in the ER twice and had to take a week off of work. He could barely walk for a few days. Not to mention the antibiotics and IVs he was given... At least you know what they look like now!

      Daddy Long Legs shouldn't be a problem. I think I read that their mouths are too small to bite us. And they get the flies & such. Those are the good ones.
      • Re: Spiders

        Tue, October 23, 2007 - 1:36 PM
        Connie - the daddy-long-legs are taken outside (again and again) to eat the mosquitos & such ;-) If I'm remembering correctly, if they could bite us, they'd be more poisonous than the widows & recluses. The general rule around our house is if it doesn't look like a daddy-long-legs, <<an easily recognizable spider>>, back off or kill it.

        Think I'll check out the little ultrasonic thingy, it might work some around the house, but still doesn't help with the kids & their treehouse.

        I'll be keeping tabs on this thread for more ideas. ;-D
        • Re: Spiders

          Tue, October 23, 2007 - 5:30 PM
          How about bird seed? Birds eat bugs, including spiders. If the tree house had a bird feeder, it may induce the birds to stop and eat excess spiders.
          • Re: Spiders

            Wed, October 24, 2007 - 8:36 AM
            Birdhouse in the treehouse...hmmm, worth a try.

            Not only could it get rid of the spiders, the girls could *bird-watch*.

            Thanks!
            • Re: Spiders

              Wed, October 24, 2007 - 8:49 AM
              I think I'm going to try the bird seed too! What a great idea!!

              Etana, I'm pretty sure the comment about the Daddy Long Legs' poison is true. But they can't bite us, I learned that a long time ago. I leave those guys alone. I like your rule "Step away from the spider..." LOL!
              • Re: Spiders

                Wed, October 24, 2007 - 10:55 AM
                (grin) yeah, Connie - we have pretty much the same rule about the snakes that occasionally show up......
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          Re: Spiders

          Wed, October 24, 2007 - 2:09 PM
          That's a myth about the Daddy Long legs, btw.

          spiders.ucr.edu/daddylonglegs.html


          Anyway, Connie, ignore the 'live in harmomy with these potentially deadly creatures' school - they're being ridiculous.

          Aside from using the poison that Cliff suggested - be sure to follow up with *sealing* your house. The spiders have to get *inside* somehow, and odds are your home is old and hardly weatherproof. Weatherproofing creates a physical barrier many people seem to forget about.
  • Re: Spiders

    Tue, October 23, 2007 - 10:01 AM
    Yup, this is the time of year when spiders think moving indoors seems like a good idea.

    Once you get rid of them you might try putting a few of those ultrasonic things around the areas where they come in. We put those in the year after we moved into this house because so many spiders came in that fall. We have tons of spiders around our house. While they are mostly harmless types, I prefer that they (and the earwigs) stay outside. The ultrasonic things seem to have helped a lot. We're finding way fewer insects in the house now. We put one by the front door, a couple in the crawl space under the house, and a couple in the garage. We also haven't had any mice move in since we put them up.
    • Re: Spiders

      Tue, October 23, 2007 - 10:26 AM
      Hi Lianna ~ Do you recall what brand you used? I've heard good and bad things about those and that they take a while for them to start to work (maybe a couple of weeks), does that sound right?

      Thanks for posting!

      ~C
      • Re: Spiders

        Tue, October 23, 2007 - 12:51 PM
        We have little ones that are Victor brand. You can buy them in all sorts of sizes. They're not 100% effective (as in, they don't keep all critters out all the time) but in our experience they help. I think that the one in the plug right by the front door is great. We used to get dozens of spiders trying to make their homes in the entry. I Don't know about how long it took to work, but they won't get rid of pests that are already in the house so that's probably where that idea comes from.

        Good luck! I have an entirely irrational fear of spiders so I totally sympathize. I am glad they are outside to eat the nasty bugs, but I don't want them in the house.
  • Re: Spiders

    Wed, October 24, 2007 - 11:50 AM
    I happen to love spiders, but I have a small child so we have rules about which spiders can live in the house with us. Widows, recluse, and hobos all have to go outside via the cup and card method, everything else can stay indoors. Spiders in the Pholcidae family (cellar spiders) are harmless to humans and feed almost exclusively on other spiders, so they can be good to keep around if you want to reduce your spider populations.

    For non-poisonous methods, you could get some anoles or small geckos and let them go free-range around the house. Just mist a few houseplants at night so they can find water.

    If you really have such a dearth of arachnid life in your house, you probably have some kind of underlying insect issues that you should take care of. Spiders go where the food is.
    • Re: Spiders

      Wed, October 24, 2007 - 12:34 PM
      Thanks Paige!! I tried to search online to see exactly the kind of spiders we are dealing with. There are soo many, it's hard to pin point it. I will look into the Pholcidae family you mentioned and see if I can identify some. ((I did notice that the nasty brown one caught the weird (almost see-through) white one in his web recently...))

      The Widows stick to the bathroom and pop up in the shower occasionally. Those are really a problem since I often run into them during the night when I don't have my contacts in. I can't see them against the stone floor. By the time I notice what it is, it's usually too close for comfort.

      The others are all over. I really don't think it's a food problem; just moved in in the spring and we're neat & clean. We live in Marin, Red Woods and ivy are abundant in most residential areas. And we just had our first rains which is pbly bringing them inside. Our close neighbors have pets (we don't) I think that's helpful for them.


      Thanks again!!
      ~C
      • Re: Spiders

        Wed, October 24, 2007 - 1:11 PM
        Any food sources may not be in your house, but in your walls or attic crawlspaces or attached garages or other places like that. But it is true that many spiders and other small critters come inside during the winter for warmth and access to water.

        If it makes you feel any better, all spiders would rather run than fight something bigger than themselves, They're actually terribly shy creatures that are just looking for some food - they don't want to waste their venom on us. Most bites happen when someone sits on, puts a hand on, or otherwise squashes them. Shake out blankets and towels before using them, shake out clothing that's been on the floor.

        Pholcidae are pale yellow or tan with very long, thin, fragile legs. They look like a Tic-tac with wispy appendages. You usually find them up in the corner of the ceiling or window frame.
  • Re: Spiders

    Sat, May 3, 2008 - 2:39 PM
    Most spiders are nocturnal. You can walk around the yard at night and notice all sorts of spider webs with a flash light. Whip out a fly swater and swat away. You'll find black widows like right angles like under chairs or wood bundles. Doing this every now and then helps minimize contact with spiders by accident while lounging on chairs. Personally, I keep a swater around, and swat a spider whenever I see it. One spider can lay hundreds of eggs, so by terminating one, you are making a siginificant dent in the population around your house.
    The only ones I don't swat are the Daddy Long Legs spiders (if they are outside), because they eat other spiders. I would only use a chemical bomb in an outdoor shed, other than that, I don't like chemicals.


    • Re: Spiders

      Sun, May 4, 2008 - 3:18 AM
      Bingo! I live near a lake, and I as a window cleaner, I am occasionally employed to do some spider removal, along with webs and sacs.

      For a home that is overrun with spiders like yours, I would spend many hours, even days with a small, powerful vacuum cleaner (think the backpack type) cleaning up the egg sacs and killing spiders by hand. The sacs that are clinging to the outside of your house can be really tough to remove, but spraying them with a mild solution of poison and alcohol may not actually kill them... which isn't to say you shouldn't spray for good measure.

      Whatever efforts you put in, try and be thorough; cleaning and spraying away 1/3 of the problem is essentially a waste of effort. Think of the situation at your house as the Iraq war, and the different species of spider as Sunni extremists and Shia militiamen (and um.. the egg sacs are IEDs?) By which I mean you are in there now, and you can either stay the course, or as our spider-loving posters would prefer, give up.
      No, it is clear you have chosen the braver path. I hope you can prevail.
      • Re: Spiders

        Wed, May 7, 2008 - 4:14 PM
        If you live in a woodsy place, you are never gonna get rid of them outdoors.
        You can minimize their intrusion in the home.
        As for the Iraq comparison, it's apples and oranges.
        A good solution will show prompt results. If you are not getting results, then obviously it's time to rethink
        the situation. Like "why" in the first place.
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    Re: Spiders

    Mon, May 5, 2008 - 11:40 AM
    If you are very infested, you have to get rid of them in phases. I would think dust and clean the place as good as possible. Use pest spray along the floor board and corners of your place (air it out to avoid choking on it). Sometimes one wolf spider can make a house full of webs. Squash some, maybe glass bottle some. Try to get the place sealed. Repeat.
  • Re: Spiders

    Tue, May 20, 2008 - 4:22 PM
    Vacuum the heck out of every cranny of the house, every 2 weeks(helps to put it on a cycle, like start with one room and do each room in succession. I mean MOVE all of your furniture, etc.
    Put a bit of peppermint essential oil onto a cotton ball, and stuff the cotton ball into a film canister, lid off. Put the canisters ni areas where you find the spiders- under beds, behind bookshelves, etc. Sometimes helps keep them away.
    Eliminate their food. No flies, no spiders...
    • Re: Spiders

      Tue, May 20, 2008 - 5:45 PM
      MegAn Worote
      >"Eliminate their food. No flies, no spiders..."<

      I do the opposite. Use the spiders to eliminate their food. I hate Mosquitoes and the like far more than I hate 8 legged critters.

      When spiders get where they will scare or upset my roommate. I escort em outside.

      As to the bad ones like Black Widows. They get dead by squashing or redneck blowtorch. Egg sacs removed as I find em. I have been bit by a widow and have a healthy respect for em. Not a dislike. They can live in spaces that I am not actively using like my basement. My woodpile I just make sure to wear gloves.

      JSin
      • Re: Spiders

        Wed, May 21, 2008 - 11:21 AM
        I totally understand, but I live in dry area, so no mosquitos for me. Mostly, I'm allergic to freaking spiderbites, and seem to be highly tasty, and I live in Orange County, where there are TONS of different spiders, all of which produce a bite that lasts for several weeks on me.
        I currently have a bite on my chin, and one on my EARLOBE(YUCK!)

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