Bamboo is so dam insidious and grows like a weed. I have a section in my backyard that is about 40 feet wide by 15 feet deep that was overgrown with bamboo. 4 weeks ago, I had some gardners in and had it all chopped down to ankle height. The next step is to start digging out the roots. Already in 4 weeks there is a whole bunch of new stalks growing; the tallest is already over 3 feet. I really want to plant other things there but I need to eradicate the bamboo first and need advice and suggestions on how to do so.
Before anyone suggests burning, which I know is probably the very best solution, much as I'd like to, it is not a posibility unless I contact the local fire dept and pay them (a lot of $) to come out and do a controlled burn for me.
Suggestions I am looking for is as I pull the roots out how to kill what I am not able to get, treatments for the top of the soil and or to turn into the soil, etc. Or treatments to put on top so I don't have to do so much work pulling out roots that will still kill off the stuff.
Thanks in advance for all of your suggestions.
Before anyone suggests burning, which I know is probably the very best solution, much as I'd like to, it is not a posibility unless I contact the local fire dept and pay them (a lot of $) to come out and do a controlled burn for me.
Suggestions I am looking for is as I pull the roots out how to kill what I am not able to get, treatments for the top of the soil and or to turn into the soil, etc. Or treatments to put on top so I don't have to do so much work pulling out roots that will still kill off the stuff.
Thanks in advance for all of your suggestions.
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Sun, June 26, 2005 - 10:51 AMBurning won't do it.
"Round Up" will.
Down side to roundup is that it's going to stay in the soil a while (up to two years) and is connected to lymphoma so you can't garden that spot.
On the alternative & capitalist side:
Do you know there is a boom in bamboo?? Yes, people are paying lots of money fot the stuff. Consider selling the root stock and plants off to a garden supply. It's the yuppie privacy fence of the decade.
People haven't figured out what you have learned.
Let a garden supplier come and dig it up and pay you.
Make them leave fresh loam or dirt where they dug as part of the deal.
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Sun, June 26, 2005 - 11:47 AMcliff blurted out :
>" Down side to roundup is that it's going to stay in the soil a while (up to two years) and is connected to lymphoma so you can't garden that spot. "<
BUZZZ nope try again. Roundup is safe for use and is highly transiant.
infoventures.com/e-hlth/pe...yphos.html
# Residual Soil Activity: Glyphosate is not generally active in the soil. It is not usually absorbed from the soil by plants.
# Adsorption: Glyphosate and the surfactant used in Roundup are both strongly adsorbed by the soil.
# Persistence and Agents of Degradation: Glyphosate remains unchanged in the soil for varying lengths of time, depending on soil texture and organic matter content. The half-life of glyphosate can range from 3 to 130 days. Soil microorganisms break down glyphosate. In tests, the surfactant in Roundup has a soil half-life of less than 1 week. Soil microorganisms break down the surfactant.
# Metabolites/Degradation Products and Potential Environmental Effects:The main break-down product of glyphosate in the soil is aminomethylphosphonic acid, which is broken down further by soil microorganisms. The main break-down product of the surfactant used in Roundup is carbon dioxide.
It also doesn't work well at all with Bamboo.
To kill bamboo the one method that seemed to work at my brother's place is cut the bamboo out dig up as much as you can pour in a hot salt water solution... Bury the mess.
over the course of the next year or so you may need to repeat the procedure.
Over the course of removal you may have to do this repeatedly.
It is a pain in the ass no matter how ya cut it.
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Sun, June 26, 2005 - 1:05 PMBUZZ BACK :)
Monsanto's Roundup Linked to Pregnancy & Reproductive Problems & Endocrine Disruption
June 3, 2005
Dear Readers,
I think this study just released from a French university finally allows us to understand the Roundup toxicity problem. As you read this you will find that the Roundup formulation is actually much more toxic than glyphosate. When you read that the main ingredient of Roundup, glyphosate, has been studied you are getting a small part of the picture. I quote from below "Surprisingly, Roundup is always more toxic than its active ingredient." I hope this study and the attached references can help us to be assured that there is more to the Roundup issue than we are hearing about.
To view the entire study (and I suggest you do) go to ehp.niehs.nih.gov/members/2.../7728.html You can read this as a web document or print it out as a pdf. I have pasted in the conclusions and references below Thank you, Thomas Wittman
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Environmental Health Perspectives Volume 113, Number 6, June 2005
Differential Effects of Glyphosate and Roundup on Human Placental Cells
and Aromatase
By: Sophie Richard, Safa Moslemi, Herbert Sipahutar, Nora Benachour, and Gilles-Eric Seralini
Laboratoire de Biochimie et Biologie Moleculaire, USC-INCRA, Université de Caen, Caen, France
Abstract
Roundup is a glyphosate-based herbicide used worldwide, including on most genetically modified plants that have been designed to tolerate it.
Its residues may thus enter the food chain, and glyphosate is found as a contaminant in rivers. Some agricultural workers using glyphosate have pregnancy problems, but its mechanism of action in mammals is questioned. Here we show that glyphosate is toxic to human placental JEG3 cells within 18 hr with concentrations lower than those found with agricultural use, and this effect increases with concentration and time or in the presence of Roundup adjuvants. Surprisingly, Roundup is always more toxic than its active ingredient. We tested the effects of glyphosate and Roundup at lower nontoxic concentrations on aromatase, the enzyme responsible for estrogen synthesis. The glyphosate-based herbicide disrupts aromatase activity and mRNA levels and interacts with the active site of the purified enzyme, but the effects of glyphosate are facilitated by the Roundup formulation in microsomes or in cell culture. We conclude that endocrine and toxic effects of Roundup, not just glyphosate, can be observed in mammals. We suggest that the presence of Roundup adjuvants enhances glyphosate bioavailability and/or bioaccumulation. Key words: adjuvants, aromatase, endocrine disruption, glyphosate, herbicide, human JEG3 cells, placenta, reductase, Roundup, xenobiotic. Environ Health Perspect 113:716-720 (2005). doi:10.1289/ehp.7728 available via dx.doi.org/ [Online 25 February 2005]
Conclusion
Our studies show that glyphosate acts as a disruptor of mammalian cytochrome P450 aromatase activity from concentrations 100 times lower than the recommended use in agriculture; this is noticeable on human placental cells after only 18 hr, and it can also affect aromatase gene expression. It also partially disrupts the ubiquitous reductase activity but at higher concentrations. Its effects are allowed and amplified by at least 0.02% of the adjuvants present in Roundup, known to facilitate cell penetration, and this should be carefully taken into account in pesticide evaluation. The dilution of glyphosate in Roundup formulation may multiply its endocrine effect. Roundup may be thus considered as a potential endocrine disruptor. Moreover, at higher doses still below the classical agricultural dilutions, its toxicity on placental cells could induce some reproduction problems. References
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Mon, June 27, 2005 - 6:27 AMviolet wrote:
>" BUZZ BACK :)
Monsanto's Roundup Linked to Pregnancy & Reproductive Problems & Endocrine Disruption"<
Women have been warned for years not top mess with pesticides and herbacides. The OP traced it to Lymphoma and a residual effect of 2YEARS both innacurate.
Used properly with correct precautions the chemical is ver safe for use. This is not to say it should be broacast spread across entire neighborhoods. The fact of the matter is reproduction and placental growth are more subject to potential harm than adult humans. The carbon monoxide from a poorly maintained car can also cause birth defects [In pregnat women]
During pregnacy more precautions should be taken regardless. I also would NEVER recommend a pregnat woman use herbacides or pestacides while pregnant.
>"all chemicals have there consequences. if it kills a plant...what do you think its going to do to you?"<
Well I am not recommending huffing it or drinking it.. If it is to be used it should be applyed sparingly and with proper precautions. Gloves and carbon lined mask in calm weather.
My personal preference though is natural control of the offending organism. I am not a huge fan of the chem companies anyway.
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Mon, June 27, 2005 - 11:23 AMthere was a huge deal on NPR about monsanto, GMO's, round-up, canadian organic farmers, patent rights, global food supply, and destruction of original seed stock. very scary stuff.
monsanto is to the argicultural world what wal-mart is to small business.
(okay, anologies aren't my forte)
if any are interested in discussing this further, may i suggest a different thread, or if any of you fabulous DIY-ers know of an approved forum lemme know, wouldya (urine wars)? it fascinates me, and i think the more discussion, the less chance of quoting mis-information like truth....
in regards to the comment about women having been warned to stay away from that stuff----> uh, they need to eat too....and since monsanto has modified the seed stock to withstand obscene amounts of chemicals before dying, that just means that there is even more crap on your food than before the ban of DDT.
*stop adapting life to fit technology, and try adapting technology to fit life* IMHO, of course....
oh if anyone feels like yelling at me, lets be adult, and take it to the heated debate tribe (or PM) so our moderator can have less grey hairs.
i am totally paranoid about this tribe now, and feel like i have to issue disclaimers when posting anything less than an "accepted" opinion.
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Mon, June 27, 2005 - 7:59 AMI didn't invent the what I said JaSin, I merely repeated what I got from a source I regard as worthy.
Nice link - sort of - maybe. How do you know the science is good?? It looks to pat too easy and too much like industry propoganda.
Yes, I read the credits. It tells me nothing. The studies for long term effects on the rats ran only three generations. That's not substantial.
"Adsorption" Now that's not a term one sees frequently here. Are you really referring to the entrance of the molecule into the first mole layer of some molecullar structure of some random bit of matter making up the soil? Wou'dn't that depend on soil composition IE: organic mass, inorganic, carbon, etc.?? Then you'd need to address desorption as well. Desorption as you know is the re entry of the molecule back into the environment. A molecule desorbs with an unknown vector and energy. So you can't know whether it'll adsorb again or when.
Really, if you are going to insult me by using phrases such as "Blurted out" you might think about being tad more circumspect about contemplating that maybe just maybe you don't know everything. Or that some website isn't necessairly a meaningful source of information merely because you liked it. This especially so when you are contemplating interactions in an uncontrollable environment such as soils, groundwaters, etc.,
Where did you get your Doctorate?
Granted aminomethylphosphonic acid, is fairly innocous. However, I am unconvinced that that acid is the only degradation product, and I am unconvinced by company claims regarding time to degrade. Remember it's a wild environment. The operative word being "wild."
No, I don't think even the "Round Up" people would suggest that one use the stuff to kill the weeds in your intended vegetable garden location. That was the context of the comment I made.
Hey, while you are at, it why not discuss the rammifications of salting the soil. That is what you suggested. That's a rather scorched earth procedure. What do you do to remove the salts? Treat it as a common ememy and let it run into the water table? -
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Mon, June 27, 2005 - 10:58 AM
as far as info on chemicals -- fear is a good motivator for edumacation and it is good to do some research before round-upping the world. I have to say as a woman using round up sometimes in my landscape biz, I would prefer to avoid it, and all chemicals. BUT I believe it is most dangerous in aerated form -- ie as you spray it -- and it can enter your lungs in small particles. Because of this I recommend painting it on with a brush -- this works especialy well when you paint the back of the offending leaves, so that the plant's stoma can absorb the poison more readily.
I agree about hacking the crap out of the bamboo -- I have found this works a lot better than round up -- as said before, starve the rhizomes and they will die. I have been beating back my neighbors' bamboo for 8+ years in my back yard -- no chems -- and it is an ongoing process since the neighbor will not remove running bamboo from his side of the fence. BUT now the bamboo is running AWAY from my attack, and back towards the offending neighbor, much to his confusion. Who says plants are inanimate?!?!
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Mon, June 27, 2005 - 7:33 PMCliff wrote:
>" Hey, while you are at, it why not discuss the rammifications of salting the soil. That is what you suggested. That's a rather scorched earth procedure. What do you do to remove the salts? Treat it as a common ememy and let it run into the water table?"<
The salt that is being applied is minimal compared to the natural occuring salts in the envioronment. The flushing of the chemical is easily done through water. If it reaches the water table at a diilution of a part or so per trillion I doubt it would have near the impact of hmmm let's say fertilizer or concrete.
JSin
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Mon, June 27, 2005 - 7:36 PMCliff wrote:
>"I merely repeated what I got from a source I regard as worthy.
Nice link - sort of - maybe. How do you know the science is good?? It looks to pat too easy and too much like industry propoganda. "<
Hell at least I provided some data. Kindly cite where you have gotten your information... That would be great.
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Tue, June 28, 2005 - 12:02 PM*goddess, i can smell the testosterone*
as far as the whole point of "not suggesting round up be used in a veggie garden"
what do you think the whole GMO seed producers use on their crops? round-up!!!
who owns the company? monsanto!!
who is the second largest seed supplier worlwide? Monsanto!!!
'nuff said.
in hawaii bamboo grows like mad, and puts holes into your rain cistern (argh, was that a mess!) and they run, we hacked and pulled.
for some advice on what might work locally, and a lot less childish bickering, i would contact your local cooperative extension...those people rock. they may also be able to hook you up with people to pawn it off onto.
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Sun, June 26, 2005 - 6:35 PMI have to say b/f I decided to move I was contemplating pay $35/ plant for bamboo to be shipped up north for a privacy fency b/c it is so prolific . I went with blackberry bushes instead not as tall but thick and spreading great natural fence . Ya see if you can sell it -
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Mon, June 27, 2005 - 6:32 AMDonna wrote:
>"I went with blackberry bushes instead not as tall but thick and spreading great natural fence . Ya see if you can sell it"<
That is funny... Up here in the Pac Northwest Blackberry is one of the most hated noxious weeds around... especially Norwegiean blackberry which out competes native species and destroys literally acres of habitat and reserved land.
JSin
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Sun, June 26, 2005 - 1:11 PMwww.americanbamboo.org/Genera...oo.html
Introduction
by George Shor, Southern California Chapter
While we really are in favor of planting bamboos, rather than eliminating them, we do need to tell people how to get rid of a bamboo when somebody has planted the wrong variety, or the right variety in the wrong place. One of the most common letters we receive starts out “My neighbor planted a bamboo, and now it is coming up all over my yard. I have sprayed it with (product name deleted) and it doesn’t work. What can I do?"
The first thing to remember is that there are many different species of bamboo. In general, however, one can divide bamboos into “Runners” and “Clumpers”. The Clumpers don’t invade. To remove a clumper, just dig it out (and transplant it.) Runners can be well-behaved in cold climates, but some kinds when in a warm climate, and given plenty of water, can become a serious problem. Don’t plant a runner in a small yard in a warm climate, unless you put a barrier* around it.
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Removing a Running Bamboo
If new shoots of bamboo are coming up all over your yard, it is a running bamboo. To get rid of it, there are four steps:
Cut it off.
Cut it down.
Water the area.
Cut it down again.
1. Cut it off. All of the culms (stalks) of bamboo in a clump or grove are interconnected underground by rhizomes (underground stems) unless you have cut them by digging a ditch or cutting a line with a spade. A bamboo grove is usually one single plant, not a group of plants. Many people have the impression that every bamboo culm is a separate “tree.”
If the bamboo in your yard has come across from your neighbor’s yard, separate your grove from his by cutting the connecting rhizomes, which are usually quite shallow. If you don’t, and his part is healthy and vigorous, the rhizomes in your part will still be supported by the photosynthesis in the leaves of his part, and your efforts will be in vain. On the other hand, if you do manage to kill your part with a herbicide you may also kill his part. Lawsuits or at least hard feelings can result.
Therefore, be sure to isolate the portion you want to keep from the portion you want to kill. Cutting rhizomes with a spade or a saw will do the trick if you do it every year. If the growth is old, you may need to use a mattock or a digging bar the first time. Digging a ditch and putting in a barrier* is a more permanent solution.
2. Cut it down
Cut the grove to the ground. All of it. If there is any part you want to keep, see (1).
3. Water and fertilize the area, to cause new growth.
4. Cut it down again. And again.
New shoots will come up from the rhizomes. Break them off or cut them off with pruning shears. Keep doing this until no more shoots come up. This will exhaust the energy stored in the rhizomes underground. Without green leaves to photosynthesize and produce new energy, they will no longer be able to send up new shoots. The rhizomes will be left behind, but will rot away.
That’s all you need to do. You need a saw, a pair of pruning shears, and patience, and maybe a spade and/or mattock. The widely advertised herbicides don’t work well on bamboo, probably because so much of the plant is underground. Since cutting the bamboo down will do the trick, and you have to cut the bamboo down anyway to remove it from your yard, herbicides are a waste of time and money in this case.
*Barriers:
To prevent a running bamboo from spreading, a “rhizome barrier” is essential. A barrier two or three feet deep is effective. It should be slanted outward at the top so that when the rhizomes hit the barrier they will bend upwards. A barrier does not stop a running rhizome; it only deflects it. The barrier should project an inch or two above ground level. Check the barrier once a year, and cut off rhizomes that arch over the top.
Barriers can be concrete, or metal, or plastic. The usual recommendation is high-density polypropylene, 40 mil or heavier, glued or taped at junctions, or clamped with stainless-steel clamps. This material comes in rolls, or as hinged sections, and is available from some landscape suppliers and bamboo nurseries, frequently termed root barrier. More elaborate barriers with corner posts that hold the material at the proper angle are also available.
Root barrier is available from some bamboo growers. Look for “Rhizome barriers” in the Plant and Product Suppliers’ List.
A pond or stream can also act as an effective barrier.
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Mon, June 27, 2005 - 11:40 AMthis is easy - post on craigslist and/or tribe (esp in bamboo and gardening tribes) offering free bamboo to anyone who will come dig up some rhizomes. if you still have the poles you cut, people will take them too.
you will get a lot of responses.
the may miss a few roots, when you see a sprout, time to dig again. no chemicals necessary.
b.t..w. - whether round-up pollutes or not, monsanto are motherfuckers. dont give them your money. check out this one story - www.percyschmeiser.com/ -
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Mon, June 27, 2005 - 11:48 AMb.t..w. - whether round-up pollutes or not, monsanto are motherfuckers. dont give them your money. check out this one story - www.percyschmeiser.com/
THAT IS EXACTLY what i was talking about! they are real jerks...
to use an approved word for disapproval.
and that is just an example, not a list of evils.
i was glued to the radio, and then began to research on my own.
*shakes head at sad state of affairs these days*
i am not a hype and bandwagon type of person, but this has certainly gained my attention.
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Maybe this post belongs in 'Saftey Third'
Mon, June 27, 2005 - 4:19 PMHi,
But if you are good with tools, you might be up for this adventure.
This might be way out there, but it's not round-up and it might be easier than digging. This guy I knew, years ago, he invited a few of us to his back yard one night to demonstrate a device he had concocted out of some serious metal tongs, a car battery and what might have been some jumper cables. The tongs were made in such a way that the parts that would touch had been bent back a bit so they would be about 1/2 an inch apart at all times (it might have been more- an inch maybe-I can't remember exactly. These tongs were like the kind used in a blacksmiths shop,,, not a kitchen. The handles of the tongs were connected to the car battery via the jumper cables and the connections to the tongs had been covered and wrapped carefully so as not to electrocute the person holding them. The reason the demonstrtation was at night was because it was actually beautiful to see the faint blue electricity climbing up thru the plant. He was getting rid of a huge patch of Anise or Fennel that had taken over his yard. By gently squeezing the thickest part of the plant with the tongs, the electricity made its way thru the plant and killed it. A few days later, after it had all dried up it was easy to pull out.. Don't do this if you've been drinking a lot or are heavily medicated.
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Tue, June 28, 2005 - 3:40 PMi like this idea, but doubt it would work as well on bamboo - the rhisomes are where all the action is and i wonder if the electricity would actually kill them, or just the above-ground portions.. definitely curious to hear more about this or see it in action, tho.
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Re: eradicating Bamboo
Mon, June 27, 2005 - 5:09 PMDepending upon the type of Bamboo, you may find that knowledgable folks will come out and dig it all up for free.
I had 7 large clumps of bambooo in my yard. 5 clumps of black and 2 of golden bamboo. In February, (when bamboo is dormant) a crew came out and dug up every clump and rhyzome and it didn't cost a dime because they dug up the black bamboo for free because it is very valuable, they have re-sold it and they charged me for the golden bamboo (it's very common) I had a friend pay me the cost of the golden bamboo removal. They transplanted it into their yard.
Moral of this story is ask a bamboo specialist if the bamboo can be re-sold and get them to come out and remove in exchange for the plant. I would suggest doing it in January/February.
The other moral is tha bamboo is a very hardy plant and the only way to get it all is to dig. Our yard took approximately 120 person hours to get it all out. It was actually about 60 linear feet of bamboo 6 to 8 feet wide.
I have been gardening in the former bamboo area and have only found 3 viable offshots and they were all pieces of scrap bamboo, not rhyzomes left behind.
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Re: eradicating Bamboo
Tue, June 28, 2005 - 3:42 PMbamboo is a highly valuable plant and much desired by nurseries, landscapers, and the like. so, yeah, im sure you can find someone glad to remove it for free. call a nursery or landscape professional if posts on tribe / craigslist do not yeild results.
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Re: eradicating Bamboo
Tue, June 28, 2005 - 3:54 PMIf you were in the San Jose area I'd come get it from you. :) -
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Re: eradicating Bamboo
Tue, June 28, 2005 - 5:51 PMwe're only a 5 hour drive from San Jose, but seriously, I am going to look for bamboo nurseries here in L.A. (on a side note, I also found out that tree nurseries sometimes will also come out and buy palm trees).
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Re: eradicating Bamboo
Wed, May 7, 2008 - 6:47 PMI have two bamboo bushes on either side of my driveway. I'm a new homeowner and am terrified of ticking off neighbors by making my yard look worse if I don't know how to properly eradicate bamboo. Bottom line- I need to get it right the first time... and I want to plant other things where this stuff (yawn, growl) currently is. any suggestions? -
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Re: eradicating Bamboo
Wed, May 7, 2008 - 6:50 PMsorry, a little outdated here... didn't know this topic was 3 years old!
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Re: eradicating Bamboo
Thu, May 8, 2008 - 6:54 AMPut in a steel or rubber border that goes at least a foot deep into the soil. The root runners won't get under that.
And of course there's a t least one variety that doesn't propagate from roots.
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Re: eradicating Bamboo
Thu, May 8, 2008 - 9:07 AMBlack bamboo will get under that as well. I have found black bamboo roots going through a concrete basement wall over 3 feet down. Very nasty stuff.
The best option and the only one I have found with really persistent bamboo is to dig the soil up and screen it picking out every little bit of root you find. keep digging till there are no roots to be found. The watch for new growth and use roundup on the younguns as they emerge.
There is no easy quick way if it is persistent.
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Re: eradicating Bamboo
Fri, May 9, 2008 - 9:42 AMburied copper sheating ( roofing materal) to a depth of 12 " will stop anything, Including Black Bamboo.
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