I haven't had a mouse problem in this old house for years.
Now, though, they're overrunning the place.
It's going to take me a while to completely mouse-proof all the crawlspaces.
In the meantime, do those sonic deterrent things work, in anyone's experience?
They're supposed to make a sound that rodents can't abide but that humans can't hear.
Any other things rodents don't like?
I know they don't mind cat pee, cause cats prowl around outside the house at night and pee on pretty much everything.
Now, though, they're overrunning the place.
It's going to take me a while to completely mouse-proof all the crawlspaces.
In the meantime, do those sonic deterrent things work, in anyone's experience?
They're supposed to make a sound that rodents can't abide but that humans can't hear.
Any other things rodents don't like?
I know they don't mind cat pee, cause cats prowl around outside the house at night and pee on pretty much everything.
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Thu, April 10, 2008 - 2:23 PMi tried one of the electronic noise makers, didn't do a thing to keep mice out
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Thu, April 10, 2008 - 2:55 PMHAVOC
It's a product you can get at any farm supply like Global Ag or Tractor Supply etc.
I open the paper pouches and mix in some peanut butter or walnut oil.
Leave a lot enough around they will gobble the stuff down and die.
As they consume it place more.
Place it in the intersection of floors and walls. For whatever reason rats like to feel a wall while scurrying. -
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Thu, April 10, 2008 - 4:24 PMyeah they will die in the walls, gross, best thing i ever used was the snap traps with peanut butter, buy some sweet stuff like jiff or peter pan, they love it enough to die. -
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Thu, April 10, 2008 - 4:30 PM^^best method I have found to date. And the chipmunks don't go for it, so they continue to stockpile pinon pine nuts for me, hehe -
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Thu, April 10, 2008 - 5:28 PMOnetime I went away for the winter, right after pinyon nut harvest time. The rats got in and found my stash. What a crappy mess. Boy did that ever tick me off.
You need to firstly discover all of the rodents ingress points. ...and then block each and every crack, hole, orfice, and aperture that they're liable to enter. Even think like a rodent. Use whatever you have to plug and patiently fill each hole. Remember a mousie can slither in a hole the size of a quarter. All of the rodenticide in god's heaven won't keep them away so you've gotta physically bar entry. Then, maintain rigid door closing discipline. Don't leave any door to outside ajar for even 5 minutes. Screens on all the windows. Yeah I'm serious.
Then maybe put out the Victors baited with nut butter. They love and need to always be chewing. Why not on some of those tasty poisoned solid bars that you leave in the corners or under appliances. By the way, you can re-use the Victors. I've a few around that are so old they have names.
Or else,... befriend a couple of young cats. Feed them at first, and once they're bonded, refuse them
ANY provisions. ...not even water. Makes em hungry and mean. They'll make do nicely off their prey, and even want to share ratmeat with you. Call it ecology.
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Thu, April 10, 2008 - 6:01 PMI'm discovering what old fashioned metal bread boxes were for.
I've got all my grains in pickle jars.
And finally found a use for that collection of decorative cookie tins.
I've been inspecting the perimeter, and it's amazing the plethora of opportunities that exist there.
An infant could probably chew through this old crappy siding, never mind a seasoned professional like a rodent.
I've been stuffing steel wool in small holes, because I've heard they don't like the taste or feel of it, and stapling screen over some long cracks under the crawl space, and noticing some improvement already, so we'll see.
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Thu, April 10, 2008 - 7:44 PM********************yeah they will die in the walls, gross, best thing i ever used was the snap traps with peanut butter, buy some sweet stuff like jiff or peter pan, they love it enough to die.*****************
I had exactly that happen only it was a HUGE colony so it smelled. Normally a house won't have a huge colony so they'll die dessicate and no one will be the wiser.
My pack of dead rats must have weighed about 60 pounds. I took on an 20 room carriage in as a restoration project in northern Maine. For the several years before I took it the rats occupied the place. But, once the smell was gone ~ ~ ~~
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Fri, April 11, 2008 - 7:24 AMI'd lend you a few of my cats, but I think they are too fat and lazy to be of any use. Unless you are in need of a paperweight or a doorstop.
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Sat, April 12, 2008 - 7:21 PMreason why they like edge of walls is that rats use their wiskers to navigate.. they are almost blind. so they use the walls to run along.
Another interesting fact about rats is that they constantly pee.. they dont have any bladder control at all.. so they pee on everything.
Chris
p.s. ahh isnt the discovery channel a wonderful thing lol..
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Thu, May 1, 2008 - 1:16 PMthey are pretty much almost blind so they guide themselves with the wall so your best bet is to put mouse snap traps by the wall and preferably on the counter tops if the problem is in the kitchen (and it usually is) becasue thats where they hang out. I had 2 mice last year and I set the traps on the floor for a week and nothing then I read somewhere that they hang out on the kitchen counters so that night I set the the traps on the counter and they were dead by dawn!! pretty gross but thats where they are at. good luck. oh and make sure you use bacon and wrap it so they can pull on it and it will snap for sure. -
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Thu, May 1, 2008 - 3:24 PMHey, I lived out in the sticks for a little while and had a rampant rodent problem. We were one of the only two houses around for several miles. They even chewed through wood into my herb and tea drawer, and made a nest inside the oven while I was out of town. Grrr. Drove me crazy. I went completely blitzcreig the day a wharf rat strolled in the kitchen. Finally found out where they were coming from and sealed it off, but it was bad. I became a pro. Got the breadbox, and the jar and tubs for EVEYTHING. Even the granola bars in sealed wrappers...somehow they can smell through plastic.
All this advice is great, especially the snap traps and p-nut butter. They like a dab of jam, too. Avoid glue traps...they suck. Nothing worse than getting up to pee & stepping on a live mouse stuck to once of them (dragged itself across the floor in the middle of the night). Or the cat drags it outside and gets the trap stuck to it's face...may be hilarious for you, but not the cat.
One thing not mentioned. Mice tend to have one pathway they primarily stick to (ie along one wall), so if you seal off and clean that one first, you'll get to the source. They like boxes of papers and clothes in your storage closet, so set traps where you'd least expect them to be.Also really wipe down surfaces (read: HOT water and soap suds) where food used to be. They'll go after any trace of food, even way after. Especially places where beer has spilled in the past, or where you keep your garbage. Be scrupulously clean and they should disappear.
Good luck!
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Fri, May 2, 2008 - 9:23 AMBacon? Last I read mice are pretty strict vegetarians with a diet mostly of seeds, fruits, cheese and grains..... -
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Fri, May 2, 2008 - 9:50 AMI caught the bastards eating my chicharrones (fried pork skins)!!! yes they fell for the bacon. I'm no rodent dietician so I cannot agree nor deisagree with you all I know is I found them with their heads nearly severed the next morning and I used bacon. -
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Fri, May 2, 2008 - 9:58 AMthis is where I got the idea to use bacon.
www.ocvcd.org/bulletins/H...%20Traps.pdf -
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Fri, May 2, 2008 - 12:41 PMWhoa. This....is.....frightening! It's like mice are mutating into blood thirsty creatures....
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Fri, April 11, 2008 - 5:11 PMsnap traps work really well for me. I like the peanut butter too, but I would add that you should wrap the PB in a scrap of paper and tie that securely to the trap trigger with a little twine. This way you can use the same bait over and over and they have to tug on it to get at the insides which sets the trap off consistently. Smear a little more PB on the outside every few mice or if it's been sitting awhile. -
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Fri, May 2, 2008 - 2:13 PMAfter a while, either through genetic mutation, or the 100th monkey, or mammas teaching babies, or whatever, they seem to learn to nibble delicately at the bait then steal it and cheat the trap. I evolved the same tactic of wrapping the nut butter then rubber banding it to the baitbar. They need to bite down & tug to get it. That's all she wrote, folks.
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Sat, April 12, 2008 - 11:08 AMI would say in the Northwest, all the critters seem to be a little buffer and resilient so they could probably handle the sound. Seems like you have to clean and deep clean. -
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Fri, April 18, 2008 - 10:05 AMUgh. I have expressed my loathing of mice in another thread. I HATE the little a$$holes pooping and peeing in my house.
I had a mouse problem about a year ago, and after I got over finding mouse poop in my silverware drawer (*shudder*) I plotted my revenge. I did a lot of research, and it seems the only thing that REALLY works is the old-fashioned mousetrap (the sonic deterrents don't do anything. The mice get used to the sound and realize the sound won't hurt them, so they learn to ignore it). Buy 10 traps and smear the plastic cheese bait lever with peanut butter. Place these along walls, on counter tops, in corners, under couches, etc. It's gross cleanup work, but they really do go for it. Also, make sure you keep your kitchen clean and clear of crumbs and food bits. I haven't found mouse poo on my counter tops since I started being really vigilant about this. I used to eat on my pull-out couch (small studio apt wouldn't allow for a dining room nor table) and the last time I had a guest over and pulled the bed out of the couch, there was mouse poo everywhere under the cushions. SO disgusting (and embarrassing!). They had crawled up in there to eat what little crumbs I had dropped while eating on the couch. So be very careful about your crumbs! I also went along my cupboards and baseboards to seal up any cracks, no matter how small, with steel wool. I also picked up some poison bait but I'm not sure how effective it was when compared with the other methods used.
So far, I've found a few droppings here and there, but no prizes anymore in my mousetraps. Hopefully they smell the death of previous mouse explorers and have decided what few crumbs I now leave behind just aren't worth it for them.
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Fri, April 18, 2008 - 11:47 AManother thing are the poison pellets, which when they take them, they stash them in bunches in all sorts of hidey hole nooks & crannies for later munching. Then the stasher dies, but his little stashes are found by succeeeding generations, who also love to explore those hdden corners. Sometimes months from now you'll go to put on your winter boots and find a handful of mouse poison pellets in their toe.
What was really gross was one time I got up at night to have a pee and then stepped on something unusual. I went back to sleep. In the morning I saw a dead mouse there where I'd stepped the night before. But that was years ago before I became a kind of God of Death to them. -
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Sat, April 19, 2008 - 1:18 PMThe problem with poisons is that you never wher the little devils will expire. You may smell them as they continue to haunt your home, but if thier little rotting bodies are in the wall....... -
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Sat, April 19, 2008 - 4:38 PMNormally, the little mousey bodies dry out after death,...something like the way jerky does....and smell no worse. I put out dead mice in a little cave nearby where coyotes sometimes hang around, and these little mouse jerky snacks are always gone in a day or two. They'll eat fish parts too. ... Or else you can put them in a tree branch for birds to gobble on the fly.
Sometimes rodents make excellent snakefood. So keeping a few mid-size snakes around your house would work fine as well...if you like reptiles... but not everyone has the stomach for that. -
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Sat, April 19, 2008 - 6:37 PMArn't you concerned about the poison effecting the Coyotes and birds? -
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Sat, April 19, 2008 - 7:21 PMYeah. There seem to be less rattlers around now. -
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Sun, April 20, 2008 - 6:57 AMWhat does that have to do with birds and Coyoties ?
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Sun, April 20, 2008 - 11:51 AMI'm not so sure about that; I had a friend who kept many large snakes in glass cages. He'd kill the white rats first before offering them to the snakes. The snakes would then refrain from making a bloody mess through leaping on struggling prey... and they were fine eating the dead rats.
In a perfect world.........
As to Coyote, and the birds.... I offer them only the trap-killed rodents, because I almost never find the poisoned ones anyway -- those kind like to go hide during death throes. But one could argue that the trapped ones may have ingested poison on their way to the trap. Go figure. At bottom, I hope everything balances out. -
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Mon, April 21, 2008 - 12:20 AMUse traps inside the house. Use poison bait-boxes outside the house.
don't trap em outside. there's too many for you to have to deal with,
dont poison em inside, for reasons already covered.
oh, and this is important: clean up your house! clean up around your house! get the piles of brush and woodpiles moved.
for goodness sake, get on this right away and do not relent. continue to set traps, and if they get stale, re-bait em after some time.
If you put traps in low-clearance areas, be sure there's room for the swing of the trap. -
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Mon, April 21, 2008 - 12:51 AMReview:
So after I put in three lines of defense, they just stopped coming. And this was years back. They rarely bother anymore.
1) chink & plug all ingress points to your home
a) keep all doors closed tight unless in use
b) screen all windows & airvents
2) have solid bait bars around and pellet bait around your home (yeah inside!)
3) have spring traps (called "victors" after the maker) around your home
If you keep up to date on all of this, they'll stop coming... and you'll (thankfully) be refreshing the traps & baits in vain. If they still keep coming, then you're not doing it right.
Happy Hunting!
b!
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Mon, April 21, 2008 - 1:09 AMBriggi wrote:
>"I'm not so sure about that; I had a friend who kept many large snakes in glass cages. He'd kill the white rats first before offering them to the snakes. The snakes would then refrain from making a bloody mess through leaping on struggling prey... and they were fine eating the dead rats."<
They can be trained to take dead prey. In the wild they eat fresh killed. If you watch em eat even when they are on first fresh killed then later frozen and defrosted they will still constrict em.
As far as I know even in captivity rattlesnakes cannot be changed over to dead prey.
I used to keep Constrictors and had a number of friends who kept venomous snakes.
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Mon, April 21, 2008 - 8:52 AMInteresting. I prefer frsh food myself... I guess critters aint that different.
The point is that cats are not the only animal allies that can keep down vermin. Reptiles are helpful, and beautiful too. For instance, I'd catch a bunch of lizards in the garden and then watch them run around inside my home gobbling up houseflies.
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