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Hi Again, Everyone:
I hope no one is annoyed by my multitude of questions. I like learning new things.
Can anyone recommend an inexpensive jig to hold coins in place for drilling holes in them for a belly dance costume creation? I have no idea what a jig does, but it was mentioned as a good way to hold coins in place to put the holes in the exact same location on each coin, plus it would be able to put holes in the coins more than one at a time.
Any suggestions?
Thanks again,
Azeeza
I hope no one is annoyed by my multitude of questions. I like learning new things.
Can anyone recommend an inexpensive jig to hold coins in place for drilling holes in them for a belly dance costume creation? I have no idea what a jig does, but it was mentioned as a good way to hold coins in place to put the holes in the exact same location on each coin, plus it would be able to put holes in the coins more than one at a time.
Any suggestions?
Thanks again,
Azeeza
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Re: Small Inexpensive Jig Recommendation?
Mon, August 31, 2009 - 10:13 AMWhy not just use 2 c-clamps to clamp it down to a board, then drill? Seems like the easiest and cheapest was to do it. I would think if you are using real coins, the belly dance outfit will end up pretty heavy.
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Re: Small Inexpensive Jig Recommendation?
Mon, August 31, 2009 - 1:14 PMA "jig" is a purpose built device that can not not have moving parts., guide bushings, clamps etc.
The general idea is you p[ut something in it and the jug facilitates some sort of machining or welding operation.
In your case it is the defacement of US currency ( a Felony if you get caught) You jig could be any of a variety of formats ranging from a conical bore into which a coin would get jammed with very little force and hold fast while you went to the drill press with it.
Or it could be a couple of dowels projecting from a board against which you place the edge of the coin and then torque down on a clamp of some sort.
The idea being that (a) you don't have the coin spinning around on you and (b) the drilled hole will be in the same place every time.
It might be prettier to go to Flea markets and buy old spoons and forks with a decorative and shiny handle. Cut off the ends file or sand the cut ends smooth and drill holes on them so the pretty shiny ends glitter ans they wobble about. you could augment that wiah any number of things you can make with shiny material like sequins etc.
One thing you might want to bear in mind is weight. Metal is heavy. Shiny glittery Plastic is not .
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Re: Small Inexpensive Jig Recommendation?
Mon, August 31, 2009 - 2:36 PM"defacement of US currency" Never seems to be a problem with those "stretch a penny" arcade things...
But Not too worry... I doubt they are US coins... most bellydancers use light /small middle eastern coins. I must admit that I have actually made coin bras for my bellydancing wife... they are not light, but not really that heavy either as you are talking about only ~30 to 50 coins per cup.
The ones that I used were already tabbed. (a little metal tab had been welded on) making applying them easy... One problem you might run into is that there are often coins of different (slightly) sizes that one jig might not work for. If they are all the same size then not a problem...
Drill a hole into a 2x4 that is just barely larger than your coins.. the closer fit the better. Drill one coin where you want it... this is your template for the rest.... Put 4 or 5 coins (or however many you want to try...) in the hole and put the already drilled coin on the top. Drill through the hole and into the rest of the coins... Repeat.
Oh and note... sharp edges of the holes can cut through thread, (sending coins flying at inopportune times) so either smooth the edges of the holes use really thick stuff to attach the coins (I use a waxed beading/leather sewing material called artificial sinew) -
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Mon, August 31, 2009 - 6:54 PM*********Oh and note... sharp edges of the holes can cut through thread, (*****************
Buy a little thing called a "countersink" at any industrial supply - like where you'd buy the drills.
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Re: Small Inexpensive Jig Recommendation?
Tue, September 1, 2009 - 6:39 AMEasyiest solution I can see is to drill a flat bottomed hole in a piece of wood the size of the coin. You can use a forstner bit for this. You will have to attach the jig to the base plate of the drill press <this is easy since there are nice holes in the bottom of the plate for just this purpose.
Orienting the coins would have to be done by hand. since the hole is not center the offset will comp for torque.
JSin
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Re: Small Inexpensive Jig Recommendation?
Wed, September 2, 2009 - 7:18 AMSo a jig is just a contraption that holds things tightly to cut or drill or something? I could use calpers or something, correct? I do like the idea of the drilling out a form out of wood as a holder. That might work.
This is still a project in work. Thanks for the suggestions.
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Re: Small Inexpensive Jig Recommendation?
Wed, September 2, 2009 - 2:40 PM********So a jig is just a contraption that holds things tightly to cut or drill or something?***********
Pretty much yes.
******* I could use calpers or something, correct?************
Calipers? Are you from England or Ireland or Scotland?
Pliers is the world I'd use. A coin might spin in a plier or not depending on how well ya held onto it.
And ya might score ir causing little sharp edges and bits that you'd need to file off.
**********I do like the idea of the drilling out a form out of wood as a holder. That might work.************
It likes you too.
The local hardware store should sell inexpensive flat bottomed wood boring bits one of which should fit your coin size.
I recommend any hunk of hard wood like what you'd get off a free hunk of lumber prized from an old discarded industrial pallet. They make 'em from oak a lot.
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Re: Small Inexpensive Jig Recommendation?
Wed, September 2, 2009 - 3:51 PMSomeone said I needed calpers/calipers to hold the item in place and they sent me a link to a jewelry making site and it looked a gold and silver thing that you put jewelery in to hold it in place. I've never seen anything like it before.
Another person said I needed a jig. I asked for a link to one they liked and I never got one. I went to my local hardware store and looked at them and I still wasn't quite sure how they worked or what they were for and the price range was incredible. I was asking for recommendations here for an inexpensive one. The ones at the hardware store only has directions of how to use the jig and not what it does.
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Re: Small Inexpensive Jig Recommendation?
Wed, September 2, 2009 - 5:07 PMI would try to find someone with a drill press if i had a lot of them to do. I would take a block of wood and drill a hole the size of the coins and drop a bunch of them in the hole and position it in the middle of the drill press table and fasten it down with a c clamp. Perhaps if you went to a machine shop somewhere with a stack of coins and batted your eyes they'd likely do it for you pretty cheap.
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Re: Small Inexpensive Jig Recommendation?
Thu, September 3, 2009 - 8:04 AM**********Someone said I needed calpers/calipers to hold the item in place and they sent me a link to a jewelry making site and it looked a gold and silver thing that you put jewelery in to hold it in place. I've never seen anything like it before. ****************
I'd like to see that link.
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Re: Small Inexpensive Jig Recommendation?
Thu, September 3, 2009 - 9:31 AMI haven't seen the link Cliff, but I'm betting it refers to a tool something like this:
www.contenti.com/products/...0-057.html
As luck would have it, I've never seen such a tool, but I do use a little pair of 6 inch Vice Grips now and then (to hold small items while drilling using a drill press) -
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Thu, September 3, 2009 - 11:54 AMHmmm... apparently the magic search term is "watch vise"
www.thefind.com/query.php
Applicability to "holding a coin for drilling" should be pretty obvious. As tools go, prices aren't too bad either.
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Re: Small Inexpensive Jig Recommendation?
Thu, September 3, 2009 - 9:17 PMIt did look similar to that device.
Azeeza
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Re: Small Inexpensive Jig Recommendation?
Fri, September 4, 2009 - 1:36 AMYeah, that's a caliper ( most people say calipers though). They are for measuring things though, not holding them fast to work on. To hold things for work you need some sort of vise.
Lee valley is my favorite online hardware outlet. High quality goods at decent prices. Here is a page from there that has links to all sorts of vices.
www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx
jeweler's vices, carver's vices, everybody has their vices i reckon.
I still think i'd try drilling a hole in a piece of wood the size of the coins, dropping a bunch in a just going at them with a hand drill if i did not have a drill press, which i fortunately do. I don't know that they wouldn't tend to spin in there, and they might, but that's what i'd try first as i always give the cheap and easy way a go first just in case i gets lucky and it works.
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Re: Small Inexpensive Jig Recommendation?
Fri, September 4, 2009 - 5:56 AMAs I suspected. Calipers are for measuring not gripping.
You'll wreck 'em the moment you try to use 'em for gripping.
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Re: Small Inexpensive Jig Recommendation?
Fri, September 4, 2009 - 7:14 AMMy $.02.
Drilling and deburring holes through coins can be accomplished in a number of ways, some of which are quite tedious.
1) Hand drill (or pin vise) + pliers (preferably locking) + jewelers files (for deburring) <-- very slow and tedious
2) Power drill or Dremel tool + pliers <-- still slow and tedious, but better than #1
3) Drill press + clamping device (either pliers, watch vise or custom jig) <-- faster, potentially more accurate
Personally I would choose #3 because I already have tools required. I might build a jig, but would be more inlined to buy one b/c they don't seem to be too pricey and I collect tools.
I would stay away from "gang drilling" and stick to one coin at a time b/c I've found that the torque of drilling usually causes problems no matter how clever I try to be in stacking round blanks together and then clamping the result for drilling. I'm not saying that a jig like the one Wil suggests could never work, I'm just saying that I've tried similar setups in the past with mixed results.
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Re: Small Inexpensive Jig Recommendation?
Fri, September 4, 2009 - 7:38 AMA while back, a girlfriend wanted me to drill some Morrocan brass coins as charms for her bracelet.
Not wanting to invest a whole lot in specialized equipment for the sake of doing a handful of coins, I devised a cheap effective way. And this uses some tools that people usualy may have around the home.
First get a centerpunch and hammer a dimple into each coin where you want the hole to be. This so the drill bit does not wander and scratch up the coin whist starting the hole. Presumably the hole is to be at the top of the design so that the face or design or writing or whatever hangs straight up. This has to be done individually for each coin, and by hand.
Then get a pair of large Visegrips adjustable clamps and glue bits of leather to its jaws. The leather facing prevents scratching or defacing the coin design. Clamp the coin to the edge of a board. IF you need to then clamp the board to the edge of a table. Then drill using hardened metal drillbits, such as are suitable for metalwork. After having completed the holes you may want to use a larger sized drillbit to bevel the rough hole edges so that they are smoothed.
Another nice effect is to wire brush the coins to bring out a nice luster.
I fail to see the advantage of utilizing a positioning jig in that each coin has to be eyeballed and punched and clamped iand drilled ndividually.
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Re: Small Inexpensive Jig Recommendation?
Fri, September 4, 2009 - 3:39 PMWOW, thanks everyone! I guess there's more than one way to skin "an animal", whatever it may be.
My project is still a work in progress.
Hugs,
Azeeza
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Re: Small Inexpensive Jig Recommendation?
Tue, November 3, 2009 - 12:38 PMEverybody has missed a simple jig that won't require much precision. Bore/drill a hole threw any wood material, preferably thicker than 3/4 inch, about the same diameter as the round object you wish to clamp. Then cut threw the material so that you have 2 D shaped slots that you can clamp back together to secure the pieces you are drilling. If the object is loose then remove a little material from the mating surfaces. Can actually never be too tight