Noisy Gas Furnace – dampening ideas?

topic posted Wed, October 18, 2006 - 4:37 PM by  Will
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The old attic gas furnace blower fan shakes, rattles and rolls pretty loud.
Been that way for a few years, just getting gradually louder.

I’ve kept an eye on it over the years. It could be a combination of the fan section being out of round/balance and the bearings in the motor being loose.
When I turn the fan with my hand I can see that it’s “out-of-round”, but doesn’t rub anywhere.
Its just when it turns under power that this section starts vibrating and getting noisey.

It’s pretty old, probably the original for this 50yr old house.
The burners seem to burn clean; the heating chamber seems intact and my carbon monoxide detector has never gone off (I also have two smoke dectors for this little house – under 1000sqft)

I know the straight forward answer is to replace it with a newer more efficient model. But, I don’t have money to replace it – would like to get by at least “one more year”.

I think if I can dampen the vibration, not only will it run quieter, but also last longer.

The furnace lays horizontally in my unfinished attic.
I thought about putting eyebolts in the flooring, as anchors, and using those solid black rubber tie-downs to secure the section that houses the blower motor. The tie-downs would sit directly on this housing; I don’t think this part gets very hot (but, I’ll double check – after its run for awhile).

The furnace sits on a few bricks; wondered if there was a fire resistant, rubber-like
dampening material I could place under the bricks to also help dampen the vibration?

Any recommendations, short of replacement?

Thanks,
Will
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Will
Denver
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  • Re: Noisy Gas Furnace – dampening ideas?

    Wed, October 18, 2006 - 5:41 PM
    Sounds like it pretty much has to be the bearings. you have to locate them and check for wobble. Any side to side movement indacates a bad bearing. Probaly a standard size ,easy to find once you have it out.
    • Re: Noisy Gas Furnace – dampening ideas?

      Wed, October 18, 2006 - 6:51 PM
      I would suggest "tightening" up any bolts that can be tightened. Also using copious amounts of WD40 or grease to keep the thing well-lubed.

      Permanently affixing it will probably dampen the noise quite a bit as well. Is there any way you could possibly build a small enclosure for it? Like put up some plywood walls around it. That would dampen the noise also.
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    Re: Noisy Gas Furnace – dampening ideas?

    Wed, October 18, 2006 - 8:50 PM
    Many of the older furnace fan blowers have little oiling ports on the shaft and you use a zoom spout type oiler for it which will sometimes compensate a little for bearings that are going out - also make sure the squirrel cage is clean (dust can build up on them throwing them out of balance and eventually kill the bearings)

    Zoom spout - www.zoomspoutoiler.com/
  • Much Better Now

    Fri, October 20, 2006 - 9:27 PM
    Thank you Dan, Thalia and Choc – you all were timely and insightful.

    I’ve continued to do some research – which also confirms your good advice.

    I made real progress last night:

    I climbed ladder back into attic last night; removed yoke that holds motor in position:
    - cleaned blades
    - re-positioned and aligned yoke holding motor; tightened attaching screws
    - I was also, for 1st time in long time, able to properly secure squirrel cage door (in the past, I just kind of had to jam it in place.

    IT RUNS VERY NOTICEABLY QUIETER (he shouted with gratitude)

    Next – I will attach one or two bungee cords to help reduce vibration and maybe place some rubber material under bricks that furnace sets on.

    ************************************************

    Dan – good idea about cleaning blades. I can barely get a brush in, but not enough room to check accurately for bearing problems. I don’t really pick up any wobbly-ness or squeek to suggest bad bearings. I think the “out-of-round” is mostly just this poor old fan, but it could also have to do with the motor bearing (it’s a direct drive – no belt drive). I don’t see any way to pull motor out to exam it.

    Thalia – (as Choc mentioned) there are two little oil feeder tubes which I apply oil thru pretty much every year with my “zoom” type motor oiler.
    Not ready to go toward building a housing; would have to be careful about something that might create a pocket that might fill with gas. I would also want it to be of fire proof material - so it would be a challenge. The tightening bolts was a big part of what made things better.

    Choc… - www.zoomspoutoiler.com/ This is just like mine. These are great for getting oil to hard to reach ports. I use it on my swamp cooler every year too.

    ********************************************************

    Kind of hard to describe my set-up.

    I wasn’t going to take a pic, but I was deleting some old digital photos when I came across this from 12/03. I posted it to flickr today; also attached two little note windows with additional info:

    www.flickr.com/photos/mys.../275026154/

    *****************************
    couple links:

    www.questargas.com/AboutNat...prep.html

    www.diynetwork.com/diy/he_h...7,00.html

    Thanks for all your help.
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      Re: Much Better Now

      Sat, October 21, 2006 - 7:04 AM
      YAY!

      Last but not least (seeing as how the mechanicals are okay now)...

      quality acoustical tiles (2'x4') strategiaclly placed can also baffle/dampen the noise from a forced air unit - I've done this in rentals before and more recently in my home.
      • Re: Much Better Now

        Thu, February 26, 2009 - 1:00 PM
        Can anyone suggest exactly how to use the acoustic tiles to dampen the noise?

        thanks,
        Grape
        • Re: Much Better Now

          Thu, February 26, 2009 - 2:11 PM
          <-- Sound Engineer

          Every time sound waves change substrates, they loose energy. The ideal way to set up the acoustical tiles will be in concentric layers so as to force the sound to travel through tile, air, tile, air, tile, air, ect. in as many layers as possible. Also, to consider the primary frequency of your' motor is most likely 60Hz (the carrier wave of standar AC current). The wavelenth for this frequency is approximately 19 feet, so you want your' layers of tile to be around 5 feet thick (1/4 wavelenth) in order to effectively dampen 60Hz. A thinner stack of tile/air will definetly dampen higher frequencies, but may not do much for the rumble.
          After writing this, I realize that it may be easier/cheaper to simply replace the blower but if you try the tiles, I'd be interested to know just how much quieter this makes your' blower. In theory, you should loose about 20dB which is the equivalent of 1/100th the acoustical energy.

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