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I have a 19" x 52" piece of tempered glass salvaged from an old shower door that I would like to cut down to 47" for a project. the glass has a bit of a pebbled texture to it as well.
I have a good quality glass cutter and breaking pliers for tools, but I've only worked with non-tempered glass previously.
Is breaking tempered glass as simple as "score and break", with the scoring being done on the smoothest side? Any other tricks of the trade I need to know?
In glass breaking, one usually only gets one chance to get it right!
I have a good quality glass cutter and breaking pliers for tools, but I've only worked with non-tempered glass previously.
Is breaking tempered glass as simple as "score and break", with the scoring being done on the smoothest side? Any other tricks of the trade I need to know?
In glass breaking, one usually only gets one chance to get it right!
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Mon, May 19, 2008 - 3:09 PMas far as i know its impossible to cut. read this to know why en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toughened_glass
btw, tempered is the same as toughened
Toughened glass must be cut to size or pressed to shape before toughening and cannot be re-worked once toughened. Polishing the edges or drilling holes in the glass is carried out before the toughening process starts. Due to the balanced stresses in the glass, damage to the glass will eventually result in the glass shattering into thumbnail sized pieces. The glass is most susceptible to breakage due to damage to the edge of the glass where the tensile stress is the greatest, but shattering can also occur in the event of a hard impact in the middle of the glass pane or if the impact is concentrated (for example, striking the glass with a point). Using toughened glass can pose a security risk in some situations due to the tendency of the glass to shatter completely upon hard impact rather than leaving shards in the windowsill. -
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Mon, May 19, 2008 - 3:28 PMHmmm.... I'm glad I asked. Never thought to try wikipedia. Thanks for the info.
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Mon, May 19, 2008 - 5:01 PMActually you can "cut" it, and I have helped do it. Expect about 30% (or more) breakage...
BTW, you could always wet grind it off...
The trick is to de-temper it. And the method I learned from an admittedly crazy glazier was to put the work on some dowels on a table so its not touching the work surface, soak a thick string in Naptha or gasoline, place it where you want the cut and light the bad boy. Have an extinguisher handy. When the flame goes out, pull the cut site to the edge of the table, remove the dowels and while putting downward pressure on the piece you are removing, have somebody smack it with a rubber mallet. You will get 1 of 2 things... A good edge, or a pile of shards...
Does NOT work on Laminated glass!!!
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Fire extinguisher
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Eye protection
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Mon, May 19, 2008 - 5:21 PMYou know, I haven't met too many glaziers who weren't crazy......... -
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Mon, May 19, 2008 - 9:26 PMWasn't the trick to lightly score the cut line first on Both Sides ,because it is after all two seperate sheets of glass with plastic sandwiched between, ThEn do the flaming string thing. Then there were two versions, one like you said to snap it off normally over the dowel, and the other is the quick plunge in cold water. The quick hot-cold will fracture the material on the score line. I know for sure this'll work on cutting beer bottles if you want to make glasses out of them. But you only score the outside before the flaming string when doing bottles.
Then there was the one about being able to cut glass with shears, if you held the work under water?? Never could get that to happen.
Don't hold me to this. i've heard many versions of the story. Some may be urban legends. But if you have a free aturday afternoon and a bunch of safety glass pieces, you could try out different things until something works out. -
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Tue, May 20, 2008 - 7:51 AMBri.,
Your'e thinking of safty glass, the type used in auto windshields, and security windows, not tempered glas, the type used in the other auto windows.
I've heard of the hot wire method, never tried it. Way to much trouble, with a very low rate of sucess, for a first time effert.
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Tue, May 20, 2008 - 3:51 PMThe guy that taught me this did not score the glass... Surprised the hell out of me because I thought the same thing.
I have a real good self oiling cutter and have done some big pieces in my time, including 1/2" thick plate. Never done tempered glass other than with Mark. -
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Tue, May 20, 2008 - 5:41 PMIf ya score or crack it at all even after heating it. it can shatter. When I saw it done it was with a hot wire he heated it for a while then whacked it. For my money I just order tempered glass to the size I need. It really is not that much.
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Wed, May 21, 2008 - 4:48 AMI've had a number of sheets of tempered glass shatter on me from just a little shock to the edge of the piece. It is disconcerting feeling to have a sheet shatter into tiny fragments when carrying it (!). I can hardly imagine cutting the stuff. I would buy a piece that is the right size too, and i'm very much a cheapskate diy kinda guy.
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Wed, May 21, 2008 - 6:57 AM*************I have a real good self oiling cutter**************
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Wed, May 21, 2008 - 9:46 AMAs I understand the situation, it's more about keeping the cutter wheel rotating smoothly than oiling the cut. You're trying to achieve an even, consistant score line without any skips.
You're also dealing with microscopic pieces of material that are quite abrasive so you want to suspend the little particles of glass in a lubricant so that they dont get caught up in the moving parts of the tool. -
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Wed, May 21, 2008 - 9:49 AMBTW my solution is to redesign te project to use the glass size available. Maybe I will try the heated wire trick some other time when I have a cast off that I don't have any idea what I want to do with.
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Fri, May 23, 2008 - 11:46 AMThe cutting oil cools the score and sort of fills in the line. As glass is still a partial liquid, it wan't to heal the score line, making it harder to break. -
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Fri, May 23, 2008 - 11:58 AMthat was supposed to say wants to heal.
And you can use "glass cutting oil" from a glass supplier, sewing machine oil or 3-in-1 oil. Has to be thin and light. No vegie oil! :)
Anything done to modify glass has to be cooled. Saws and grinders have water feeds, cutters have oil and drills should have water spritzed on the entry point. Getting any kind of glass too hot will cause breaks, and it won't always break where you want it to.
Sorry about all the posts/soap-boxing.
I come from a glass family and work in a stained glass shop. :)
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Sat, May 31, 2008 - 1:29 AMOutta sight. Great idea, I can't wait to try it. I'd always thought it to be impossible.
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Fri, May 23, 2008 - 11:52 AMYou cannot cut tempered glass.
The ideas given here may work, but my father has owned a glass shop for 30 years and has never has any success cutting tempered glass.
The tension in the glass that causes it to be safer (ie not leaving shards in the sill for a burgler to cut themselves on and sue you) also causes it to do it's little shatter dance with any modifications cutting, grinding or drilling.
Laminated glass (two sheets or glass fused together with plastic between them) can be cut: score bothe sides of the glass, run the break with runners and slide an exacto between them to cut the platic. -
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Tue, May 27, 2008 - 8:12 PMyou can cut tempered glass.. its not very easy... people in the aquarium hobby do it all the time to put stand pipes into their tanks... they drill holes... which is what your basically doing when cutting lol...
What you will need... diamond blade.. time.. lots and lots of water... and go REAL slow or the whole thing will break...
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Wed, May 28, 2008 - 8:18 AMTanks are not tempered. They are thick glass but not tempered.
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Fri, May 30, 2008 - 10:13 PMThanks JSin :)
Annealed glass has been cooled slowly, leaving less tension, making it cuttable.
Tempered glass is cooled in a different way, leaving lots of tension in the glass, which means the glass will break with any trauma, including a glass cutter, hammer or drill.
Sorry to be so bullheaded about this, but my family has been in glass for about 60 years :) -
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Sat, May 31, 2008 - 7:56 AMYou CAN anneal the glass, but then you don't have tempered glass anymore. You would have to re-temper it, and that's a more complex opperation than annealing. -
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Sat, May 31, 2008 - 8:19 AMI'm thinking un-tempering (annealing) it would be quite an opperation for most people as you need a big ole kiln to do it (at least large sheets).
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Mon, June 2, 2008 - 5:40 AMsorry to say this but no... the tank glass used in most modern aquariums..allglass and the ones done in dallas are tempered glass.... not just thick. The all glass aquarium sometimes are made of tempered but sapphire aquariums are last time I checked with the manufacturer. All of the table tanks you see are made of tempered as well.
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Mon, June 2, 2008 - 9:24 AMWell this must be a very new trend since the ones I have kept and the ones I sold including the shard I had pass through my hand on a broken one were just basic glass. I have kept over 75 tanks including at one point a tank room with over 1500 gallons in tanks.
Ya know when ya see a cracked tank. Tempered Glass does not crack. It shatters. In fact the piece of glass that punctured my hand was from an "All Glass brand tank".
Actually reading most of the stuff I could find on the web the only "AllGlass" tanks that are tempered are over 200 gallons and need to be ordered with filter holes pre drilled. Tempered tanks also have a logo stating they are tempered so you do not make the mistake of trying to drill them.
Sorry chris you are mistaken.
JSin
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Tue, October 13, 2009 - 8:13 PMchris your wrong most aquarium are tempered and come already pre drilled for overflows. now i will say this too some aquaruim only have tempered glass on the bottom and not the sides thats why you see them drill on the sides and not the bottom of the tank. Read on any tank and it usually says right on the bottom of tank DO NOT DRILL TEMPERED GLASS.. all 55 gallons aquaruim are tempered all the way around come look in my back yard i have a few shatters ones
eugene
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Wed, May 28, 2008 - 8:38 AMThe wikipedia article on tempered (toughened) glass is very informative.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toughened_glass
It says it cannot be cut or drilled and must be annealed first. It has an article on annealing glass too, but a quick look tells me it's not a good diy project.
I remember now that the way to tell if glass is tempered is to look at it with polarized sun glasses. You can see the stress patterns caused by the tempering process.
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Tue, June 3, 2008 - 6:57 PMI cut bottles with a hot wire, not sure if thats tempered glass. The way you do it is to take a steel wire heated with electricity to orange hot, place that against the glass to heat it up, and then cool the heated glass all at once with cool water and tap lightly. I'm guessing the quick temp change causes enough contraction to make the break, which turns out to be very clean. You may need to tap it harder to break it since it sounds thicker than bottles. I think finding a 19" piece of hot wire might be tough though. -
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Tue, June 3, 2008 - 10:29 PMNope, bottles aren't tempered.........
They can be cut this way or with a diamond saw blade with a water feed..... -
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Thu, June 5, 2008 - 1:52 PMbut they can be cut with precise Buddhist energy waves. years of practice. i knew a guy in Shimla, India who once did it with fresh green grape leaves and large amounts of prayer flags.
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Thu, June 5, 2008 - 10:29 PMyou can score em and pop em just like with any other glass as well. Problem is getting a precise cut and giving a relief cut to the top or bottom depending on what ya want to keep. The scoring method does not create a super rounded cut though unless you take an oxy acetylene torch to the edge.
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Fri, June 6, 2008 - 5:55 AMI'd tie a cotton string over the score line, then squirt Ronson on ithe string. Then light it up. Then just as soon as it burned out I'd dip it in the rain barrel. It'd snap apart on its own. I'd take a file/grinder/emery cloth to the sharp edges.
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Fri, June 6, 2008 - 12:19 PMHave you actualy done this ?
It doesn't seem like a string with a very small amount of flamables would generate enuf heat . -
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Tue, October 13, 2009 - 10:43 PMSorry Dan I didn't see your question. Hope you don't mind my reply about 1 1/2 years late.
Yes, I have done this exactly as outlined back in 1979. Got the idea from a 1950s Popular Mechanics magazine.
Those old magazines are solid gold for DIY from an era when people actually made and fixed things at home.
Before today's throwaway mindset.
And yes, I still have a couple of those beer bottle glasses around unbroken as proof.
Kero (kerosine lamp fuel) works well too in sustaining fire for a while, unlike low flashpoint quick burn gasoline. -
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Wed, October 14, 2009 - 5:22 AMI know the procedure, but that is for un-tempered glass. I don't see how it could be done with tempered. -
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Wed, October 14, 2009 - 11:20 AMNo practical home solution to that exists, short of putting together a home-made industrial grade tempering oven ( 800 degreesF) to detemper the pane for work, and then turn around to re-temper it.
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Sun, October 25, 2009 - 10:30 PMno you can't cut tempered glass. give it up.