Tribe.net. Local Connections $item.owner.firstName http://do-it-yourself.tribe.net/thread/07650e56-2ffd-4ac7-b600-ff9dd51d7cb7#1f435974-ea74-4b56-aa65-6ca45324325c 2009-05-29T03:14:35Z 2009-05-29T03:14:35Z

< I prefer the humane traps that catch the mouse so you can take it to a field and let it loose. But don't forget to check them. There's nothing humane about catching a mouse only to have it starve to death in the trap.> Screw that. I like the ones where their feet get stuck, then you can go all Dahmer on em.

$item.owner.firstName 2009-05-29T03:14:35Z yadda yadda http://do-it-yourself.tribe.net/thread/07650e56-2ffd-4ac7-b600-ff9dd51d7cb7#07d4ac27-18c4-45d6-aa25-f08a335e6052 2009-05-27T02:31:17Z 2009-05-27T02:31:17Z

grats.

yadda yadda 2009-05-27T02:31:17Z Randy http://do-it-yourself.tribe.net/thread/07650e56-2ffd-4ac7-b600-ff9dd51d7cb7#4db09bd1-4df8-4940-b2d1-9e330b1b2749 2009-05-26T01:06:06Z 2009-05-26T01:06:06Z

MUAHAHAHAHHAHA. I got that little BASTARD, YEs, welll; OK my housemate did. but now I know the means. Evil scientist laughter shakes the room as a celebrate with champagne. Whoop. Randy

Randy 2009-05-26T01:06:06Z Dan http://do-it-yourself.tribe.net/thread/07650e56-2ffd-4ac7-b600-ff9dd51d7cb7#bdea2cd1-e9b5-4246-b95c-4c5add3ffa42 2009-05-08T23:06:29Z 2009-05-08T23:06:29Z

Come to think of it, the American worker is often caned, before he is canned too ! If we keep this up, the mice will get bored, and just leave......kind of a Pied Piper thing, depending what you have in your pipe ;-)

Dan 2009-05-08T23:06:29Z Dan http://do-it-yourself.tribe.net/thread/07650e56-2ffd-4ac7-b600-ff9dd51d7cb7#7643b3c7-c234-4b90-bf5c-b2a8d1b40a77 2009-05-08T22:58:57Z 2009-05-08T22:58:57Z

Yea, they have to beat them, to get them into the can, at least in Hong Kong.

Dan 2009-05-08T22:58:57Z JSin http://do-it-yourself.tribe.net/thread/07650e56-2ffd-4ac7-b600-ff9dd51d7cb7#bdf60c00-53b0-44ff-acbe-982c0861ca49 2009-05-08T17:44:32Z 2009-05-08T17:44:32Z

I didn't know they caned sardines before they canned them. JSin

JSin 2009-05-08T17:44:32Z Dan http://do-it-yourself.tribe.net/thread/07650e56-2ffd-4ac7-b600-ff9dd51d7cb7#edf4104f-3306-4c38-95fb-35edcde1d02d 2009-05-08T15:19:12Z 2009-05-08T15:19:12Z

" Sardine poop"....thanks ! there's a visual I didn't need. We can only hope , that like the American worker, when the sardine found out it was about to be " caned" , that it too shit it's self.

Dan 2009-05-08T15:19:12Z ALLAH God of all http://do-it-yourself.tribe.net/thread/07650e56-2ffd-4ac7-b600-ff9dd51d7cb7#cbf66272-2d0f-4368-8934-48512d8bdeca 2009-05-07T13:35:12Z 2009-05-07T13:35:12Z

**********I guess its a matter of how hungry you are. I've eaten plenty of squirrel and rabbit, plus a few snakes, buffalo, deer and even puppy (at a pow wow in a stew). But, having dressed a lot of game, rats seem like a lot of work for the quantity of meat.************ I rather suspect that they don't dress them too carefully. The Indians in Alaska and elsewhere would put the rabbit fur and all on the stick and roast it whole over a fire. Then they'd eat all of it. In the US we don't dress smelts sardines clams and oysters the whole thing is consumed intestines poop and all.

ALLAH God of all 2009-05-07T13:35:12Z Dan http://do-it-yourself.tribe.net/thread/07650e56-2ffd-4ac7-b600-ff9dd51d7cb7#ed0fd9c9-c9df-44ba-b41e-ed00d612a6e6 2009-05-07T13:00:57Z 2009-05-07T13:00:57Z

>>having dressed a lot of game, rats seem like a lot of work for the quantity of meat. << There in lies the beauty of the " Rat'o'matic" blender , makes a great sauce for topping that main course coming out of my, "Road kill rotisserie" !!

Dan 2009-05-07T13:00:57Z Timbozo http://do-it-yourself.tribe.net/thread/07650e56-2ffd-4ac7-b600-ff9dd51d7cb7#9d1c757a-a5ef-4422-975e-63726a2d7a03 2009-05-07T04:01:22Z 2009-05-07T04:01:22Z

When they eat one's crops that's what one is left with, one supposes that.

Timbozo 2009-05-07T04:01:22Z yadda yadda http://do-it-yourself.tribe.net/thread/07650e56-2ffd-4ac7-b600-ff9dd51d7cb7#a2fef133-1844-4da6-b6ac-90b94f372e01 2009-05-07T00:13:48Z 2009-05-07T00:13:48Z

I guess its a matter of how hungry you are. I've eaten plenty of squirrel and rabbit, plus a few snakes, buffalo, deer and even puppy (at a pow wow in a stew). But, having dressed a lot of game, rats seem like a lot of work for the quantity of meat.

yadda yadda 2009-05-07T00:13:48Z ALLAH God of all http://do-it-yourself.tribe.net/thread/07650e56-2ffd-4ac7-b600-ff9dd51d7cb7#8219474c-b2f9-47dd-b0f9-b4dfa915e8b6 2009-05-06T23:19:37Z 2009-05-06T23:19:37Z

They might. I recall a national geographic on Cuba when I was a kid. . They had pictures of the kids running the cane fields with sticks. Winner goes home with a passel of rats held in bunches by their tails.

ALLAH God of all 2009-05-06T23:19:37Z Timbozo http://do-it-yourself.tribe.net/thread/07650e56-2ffd-4ac7-b600-ff9dd51d7cb7#c2d9cd45-dc42-42ff-91d6-7bb8275e57ce 2009-05-06T21:35:57Z 2009-05-06T21:35:57Z

My guess would be that cane fed rats taste pretty good.

Timbozo 2009-05-06T21:35:57Z ALLAH God of all http://do-it-yourself.tribe.net/thread/07650e56-2ffd-4ac7-b600-ff9dd51d7cb7#1f7b12f9-7b0b-4a0e-9ef5-97be8183bc55 2009-05-06T19:46:00Z 2009-05-06T19:46:00Z

Of course if this were Cuba the mice would be seen not as pests but rather as a source of valuable protein. Cubans have been eating rats harvested from the sugar cane fields for longer than I've been alive. If it works for them ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

ALLAH God of all 2009-05-06T19:46:00Z Dan http://do-it-yourself.tribe.net/thread/07650e56-2ffd-4ac7-b600-ff9dd51d7cb7#0f0f1236-1e03-458b-86a2-3b9ef77a1257 2009-05-06T13:38:10Z 2009-05-06T13:38:10Z

Live trap...and a blender. Mmmmmm Mouse shakes !

Dan 2009-05-06T13:38:10Z Briggi http://do-it-yourself.tribe.net/thread/07650e56-2ffd-4ac7-b600-ff9dd51d7cb7#91d10178-95e6-4fca-a2d4-348b79c5bcb5 2009-05-06T05:54:51Z 2009-05-06T05:54:51Z

Roll a pellet of poison in with the bait, and carefully rubber-band the bait to the trap. That'll teach his smarter than average rodent ass.

Briggi 2009-05-06T05:54:51Z Randy http://do-it-yourself.tribe.net/thread/07650e56-2ffd-4ac7-b600-ff9dd51d7cb7#355883fa-5187-43f6-bb2a-6297655c376d 2009-05-06T05:20:12Z 2009-05-06T05:20:12Z

How about a water pellet? I heard about them on "Burn Notice" the spy game uses then in soft warfare. I am sure a mouse could not recover if hit. R.

Randy 2009-05-06T05:20:12Z Randy http://do-it-yourself.tribe.net/thread/07650e56-2ffd-4ac7-b600-ff9dd51d7cb7#e1a19743-0f72-493a-ab78-31c1da383c5a 2009-05-06T05:17:39Z 2009-05-06T05:17:39Z

I have a "smarter than the average mouse" who eats the cheese from the trap without springing it, or springs it without getting caught. I have named him. smart bugger Randy

Randy 2009-05-06T05:17:39Z Briggi http://do-it-yourself.tribe.net/thread/07650e56-2ffd-4ac7-b600-ff9dd51d7cb7#a6b355b4-9b1d-41a5-bbd5-9041996e49ea 2009-04-17T12:43:33Z 2009-04-17T12:43:33Z

In China, a mouse, a snake, a bat, a rat, a cat, a dog?.... it's all food. When they catch a mouse, they eat it!...practical.

Briggi 2009-04-17T12:43:33Z Gnomama http://do-it-yourself.tribe.net/thread/07650e56-2ffd-4ac7-b600-ff9dd51d7cb7#6d859fcd-aa46-44b8-953e-c7aebcd7be9b 2009-04-17T07:43:05Z 2009-04-17T07:43:05Z

I priced mice at the pet shop today. $4.95 plus mouse food (ten crickets for a dollar), accessories, bedding, aquarium-home. clothes, instruction booklet, harness, leash......big business selling mice as PETS. Mice also sold as snake food to reptile owners. Yummy!

Gnomama 2009-04-17T07:43:05Z Briggi http://do-it-yourself.tribe.net/thread/07650e56-2ffd-4ac7-b600-ff9dd51d7cb7#a4bb01ef-983c-4d08-9ca7-f6a0f2d33ff2 2009-04-16T15:29:01Z 2009-04-16T15:29:01Z

Catch-and-release is obviously not the solution. Years back, when I first started country living, I used to think myself quite the household hero when I'd bludgeon the odd rattlesnake that showed up with the flat of a shovel. Then shameful realization hit: rattlers are amongst the most effective rodent predators known. Rattlers thrive on rats (& mice) as their main entree. And, when serpent space is respected, they pose little threat to people. Rattlesnakes were made for a reason. Rattlesnakes are a fascinating and useful home ecology ally against filthy destuctive vermin.

Briggi 2009-04-16T15:29:01Z Dan http://do-it-yourself.tribe.net/thread/07650e56-2ffd-4ac7-b600-ff9dd51d7cb7#48d08ab5-f33b-492a-a52c-38d99bed7f5e 2009-04-16T14:59:18Z 2009-04-16T14:59:18Z

Those things ( in .22 cal. ) are USELESS out of a pistol, and only good for a kill out to abt 10 ft. from a rifle. You can get them in .45 long colt. that's' not a bad snake/rat shotgun/pistol To those who " prefer" live traps....how many of those cute little mice do you think you have around your property ? And let them go , where ? you do have to take them a long way off, so they can then go into someone elses house, thanks a lot !

Dan 2009-04-16T14:59:18Z Mickey http://do-it-yourself.tribe.net/thread/07650e56-2ffd-4ac7-b600-ff9dd51d7cb7#f8e4599e-8e67-45d8-aeb9-be2188670363 2009-04-16T04:02:21Z 2009-04-16T04:02:21Z

http://ltdammo.com/images/categories/rimfire%20shotshell.jpg

Mickey 2009-04-16T04:02:21Z Megan http://do-it-yourself.tribe.net/thread/07650e56-2ffd-4ac7-b600-ff9dd51d7cb7#2dba8a26-ec5e-4f3b-b2c6-9cb60ecd4de1 2009-04-15T14:33:10Z 2009-04-15T14:33:10Z

Richard- I prefer catching mice live too, but from what I understand, unless you take them many miles away, they'll come right back to their last home.

Megan 2009-04-15T14:33:10Z $item.owner.firstName http://do-it-yourself.tribe.net/thread/07650e56-2ffd-4ac7-b600-ff9dd51d7cb7#d753a8c7-1a94-49a7-8dc6-9966bd0fa16d 2009-04-14T17:45:59Z 2009-04-14T17:45:59Z

I prefer the humane traps that catch the mouse so you can take it to a field and let it loose. But don't forget to check them. There's nothing humane about catching a mouse only to have it starve to death in the trap.

$item.owner.firstName 2009-04-14T17:45:59Z Briggi http://do-it-yourself.tribe.net/thread/07650e56-2ffd-4ac7-b600-ff9dd51d7cb7#a485eb17-f544-4e97-ba1e-b5bf9b9f0c97 2009-04-13T01:05:35Z 2009-04-13T01:05:35Z

I don't know. Bats are kind of picky about where they roost. They are adaptable enough to find another place. Yeah, spiders are nice... but like all little things that bite, you need to respect their space. I don't know all that much about the dark creepy side of man's inner psyche. I don't want to go there. If you don't want to get the attic all stinky, then maybe that pair of toms from the barn in Maine could get locked in the attic for a week.... see who comes out live. Thanks for the invite. I'll look you up next time in Jersey.

Briggi 2009-04-13T01:05:35Z ALLAH God of all http://do-it-yourself.tribe.net/thread/07650e56-2ffd-4ac7-b600-ff9dd51d7cb7#65ca0151-1d94-484e-a28e-538a399e4cc9 2009-04-12T22:32:13Z 2009-04-12T22:32:13Z

****************Cliff, use the tennis racket to guide the poor scared helpless thing out the door, just as you would a bird that flew in by mistake..************ Next you'll tell me to be kind to the spiders. *******Stop being so bigoted.********** One man's bigotry is another's squealing terror. Don't ask me why the damn things scare the shit outta me but, they do. *********They are really soft and furry and friendly once you get to know them.*********** Come on by and you can take all my bats. To me the critters are as ugly and revolting dead as they are alive. **********The TB thing only happens if you spend too much time as a fertilizer harvester working way close to pulverized dried airborne guano, Chalk it up to childhood exposure to Hollywood culture myths, and get over it.********* Prolly so. They still creep me out. **********A bigger bat will give your night owl a run for his money when it comes to rodent patrol, OK?.********** Ya see??~!!! I understand owls. They don't creep me out. ************But OK if you are so dang dead set against warm fuzzy & cute, then a sand bucket holding burning charcoal topped off with a handful of suphur crystals will fumigate the attic. And there went the scary old critters like a ... like something out of hell. *********** Interesting trick. I never thought of smoking the buggers out. I suppose it'd be nice of me to build 'em some bat houses in the back woods. I have never convinced myself that they'll actually use 'em. you know the ones from wide boards with about an inch of space for th4em to sneak up into and grip on. Will they winter over in that?

ALLAH God of all 2009-04-12T22:32:13Z Briggi http://do-it-yourself.tribe.net/thread/07650e56-2ffd-4ac7-b600-ff9dd51d7cb7#eaab17e1-df5b-4ae2-9e9f-11956867c474 2009-04-11T22:00:03Z 2009-04-11T22:00:03Z

Cliff, use the tennis racket to guide the poor scared helpless thing out the door, just as you would a bird that flew in by mistake.. Stop being so bigoted. They are really soft and furry and friendly once you get to know them. The TB thing only happens if you spend too much time as a fertilizer harvester working way close to pulverized dried airborne guano, Chalk it up to childhood exposure to Hollywood culture myths, and get over it. A bigger bat will give your night owl a run for his money when it comes to rodent patrol, OK?. But OK if you are so dang dead set against warm fuzzy & cute, then a sand bucket holding burning charcoal topped off with a handful of suphur crystals will fumigate the attic. And there went the scary old critters like a ... like something out of hell.

Briggi 2009-04-11T22:00:03Z ALLAH God of all http://do-it-yourself.tribe.net/thread/07650e56-2ffd-4ac7-b600-ff9dd51d7cb7#2e1f34b5-b976-49d2-9143-27d871db9db1 2009-04-11T19:09:52Z 2009-04-11T19:09:52Z

**********Send your bat colony to briggi. Bats = marvelous.... and interesting pets. ************ You got a stronger stomach than I. One gets into the house and I break out a tennis racket Stand in he middle of the room it's in and before ya know it there's a line drive to the floor. ~ ~ ~ Bats creep me out. ~ ~ ~ ~ I've thought about building 'em little bat houses out side in my back woods just to give 'em some place besides my attic. And I understand that guano is a common vector for TB among other things.

ALLAH God of all 2009-04-11T19:09:52Z Briggi http://do-it-yourself.tribe.net/thread/07650e56-2ffd-4ac7-b600-ff9dd51d7cb7#021212ec-9c67-41c0-befa-04232ed5e32c 2009-04-11T16:16:04Z 2009-04-11T16:16:04Z

Send your bat colony to briggi. Bats = marvelous.... and interesting pets.

Briggi 2009-04-11T16:16:04Z ALLAH God of all http://do-it-yourself.tribe.net/thread/07650e56-2ffd-4ac7-b600-ff9dd51d7cb7#505fdf4b-a8ae-4921-89f1-1cf01036217c 2009-04-11T15:02:48Z 2009-04-11T15:02:48Z

******************Bats are our friends. Bats eat mosquitos.... ...plus nasty bugs. Bats are not rodents. Bats are on an entirely other wavelength. You must not harm bats. Accept bats as our allies in the war against verminous pests. ********** So long as they stay out of my house they are golden .

ALLAH God of all 2009-04-11T15:02:48Z Briggi http://do-it-yourself.tribe.net/thread/07650e56-2ffd-4ac7-b600-ff9dd51d7cb7#60a45e4c-ddd6-42ef-b6d4-df10082025f0 2009-04-11T05:49:16Z 2009-04-11T05:46:51Z

Bats are our friends. Bats eat mosquitos.... ...plus nasty bugs. Bats are not rodents. Bats are on an entirely other wavelength. You must not harm bats. Accept bats as our allies in the war against verminous pests.

Briggi 2009-04-11T05:46:51Z Gnomama http://do-it-yourself.tribe.net/thread/07650e56-2ffd-4ac7-b600-ff9dd51d7cb7#4c98bd9a-e0f7-4741-97fd-d03734659e0e 2009-04-11T04:06:21Z 2009-04-11T04:06:21Z

I think the electronic device screws with the varmit's ears somehow. Bats have a sonar responder thingy.

Gnomama 2009-04-11T04:06:21Z ALLAH God of all http://do-it-yourself.tribe.net/thread/07650e56-2ffd-4ac7-b600-ff9dd51d7cb7#70c80a4e-abf1-4d91-960b-d719f1c83d22 2009-04-08T13:07:49Z 2009-04-08T13:07:49Z

I tried one of those. It didn't do anything. The bats still nested in the attic. I found one bat hanging like three feet from the gizmo.

ALLAH God of all 2009-04-08T13:07:49Z grouchosuave http://do-it-yourself.tribe.net/thread/07650e56-2ffd-4ac7-b600-ff9dd51d7cb7#bab90146-ac3b-4cba-85c6-0a849f9b65e2 2009-04-08T06:41:54Z 2009-04-08T06:41:54Z

Considering the whole ilegality slash humane-ity slant of this thread, I'm glad I didn't link to my entries in the lengthy thread in the archives that thoroughly visited this issue. Heh. Now that I mention it (to myself).... and now that tribe is a boring ghostland in general these days..... Here 'tis: http://do-it-yourself.tribe.net/thread/1237c3bf-2b8a-414e-8341-c83b953bba40#b01ab8b5-50c6-4a2d-9a1e-0f73073cf992

grouchosuave 2009-04-08T06:41:54Z Gnomama http://do-it-yourself.tribe.net/thread/07650e56-2ffd-4ac7-b600-ff9dd51d7cb7#9a2c37da-ffa9-471b-bbd3-4f3725514a8f 2009-04-08T05:41:23Z 2009-04-08T05:41:23Z

Also, when I didn't have cats I used the electronic plugins that emit an inaudible noise obnoxious to rodents, spiders, and fleas. Sort of a a pied piper device. I would not use it if you have pet guineapigs or hamsters, however.

Gnomama 2009-04-08T05:41:23Z Gnomama http://do-it-yourself.tribe.net/thread/07650e56-2ffd-4ac7-b600-ff9dd51d7cb7#fa5c386a-5e0a-4c0b-bfa3-e22b11d825bd 2009-04-08T05:29:39Z 2009-04-08T05:29:39Z

Not all cats are mousers. My domesticated ,formerly ferral cat Antonio (yes Banderas! why not?) is the only cat in my household that proudly brings me still -warm presents. They were nestiing in my linens drawer in the kitchen. He has dispacthed a dozen or more this winter. I praise him profusely and then recycle the blood sacrifice to my three year old oak tree. The last rodent I saw him with was still alive and sitting up on its haunches a few inches from Antonio's face. They appeared to be having a conversation. "Words" were exchanged. The rat sighed, slunk away quickly and I haven't seen any evidence of vermin since. don't use poisen or glue boards. Let nature take its course. Ask around. Borrow a proven mouser. And get some of the 'spray foam in a can' to caulk EVERY hole and crack especially around where pipes enter your house.

Gnomama 2009-04-08T05:29:39Z Tahiyya http://do-it-yourself.tribe.net/thread/07650e56-2ffd-4ac7-b600-ff9dd51d7cb7#253da747-bb11-49b8-97fb-75315868e102 2009-04-08T04:44:40Z 2009-04-08T04:44:40Z

I have an unprofessional, semi-slumlord, and there's no way in hell that he's get a professional to come out, and the manger is paranoid of the owner. He's so paranoid that sometimes it drives me nuts. I can't afford to move because I lost my job, and this place is cheap. There are things that I don't like about it, but I don't have much of a choice right now. I had to move out of my old place fast, and this one was available immediately, plus the rent was low. The cat essentially came with the place. He was one of several that were abandoned some years ago, and the manager had been feeding them. He was smart enough to move in with me, the others (3) are still outside, and I also feed them. They make great little garbage disposals, but don't come inside. I'm an animal lover anway. When my next unemployment checks arrive, I plan to buy some snap traps and put them around. They worked well at another place that I lived where I had a mouse. Bait boxes would be better, but if it costs the owner money, it doesn't get done unless it's essential.

Tahiyya 2009-04-08T04:44:40Z yadda yadda http://do-it-yourself.tribe.net/thread/07650e56-2ffd-4ac7-b600-ff9dd51d7cb7#a785f26c-91d4-4f7d-851c-2ede7a3a3913 2009-04-08T00:27:22Z 2009-04-08T00:27:22Z

You win. Keep on advising people to do illegal things. Have fun.

yadda yadda 2009-04-08T00:27:22Z ALLAH God of all http://do-it-yourself.tribe.net/thread/07650e56-2ffd-4ac7-b600-ff9dd51d7cb7#02ded9ad-152b-407d-93c8-5ed22f06e4cf 2009-04-08T00:02:24Z 2009-04-08T00:02:24Z

*******I didn't domesticate cats.********** I don't believe any one was crediting you with that. ************* That was done long ago and can't be reversed.************* I have found too many feral cats ( even as kittens) that were entirely unresponsive to any amount of love and kindness to be dissuaded by such an unsupported conclusion. ********** If you think cats hunt well, go look at some strays and tell me how fat they are. ************* It's a competitive world. Some critters are better at it than others - that includes people. Have you discovered otherwise?

ALLAH God of all 2009-04-08T00:02:24Z Dan http://do-it-yourself.tribe.net/thread/07650e56-2ffd-4ac7-b600-ff9dd51d7cb7#cab3a250-26ec-44e0-8f17-c9f1cedd907d 2009-04-07T23:57:47Z 2009-04-07T23:57:47Z

You are feeding them........Mice. They just have to catch them. If I "acquire" mice to feed to my Cat, Snake, mother in law, do I have to feed the mice first ?

Dan 2009-04-07T23:57:47Z ALLAH God of all http://do-it-yourself.tribe.net/thread/07650e56-2ffd-4ac7-b600-ff9dd51d7cb7#208ab881-c2ed-49b0-ab26-b6b2b6eab752 2009-04-07T23:56:41Z 2009-04-07T23:56:41Z

**********I see, so disagreeing with Cliff will get me banned. Okay.******* Nope. Getting all preachy and holier than thou will. So long as you can both discriminate between the two and then act accordingly you are golden. Pets and environment are just religion and politics by other names to a great many people. If it's that hot and heavy with you then you need to re-think the tone, timber, and substance of a post making it milieu appropriate It's DIY not: Tell others what's what according to you. So if you have a way to eradicate mice that comports with your preconceptions, ideals, religion, or politics you go right ahead and advocate for it. After all, just because you may have got there by a path other than some one else's and just because your underlying motives may be different from some one else's does not mean your methods are without merit. Just leave the strident tone the self righteousness and other unhelpful and off topic baggage aside. Tell us how you think mice and rats should meet their maker ( or otherwise be made absent from the building) and forget the other crap - it's useless - worse actually - because it sows ill will. Here: Take your original message I the one to which I responded, which I found unproductive, provocative, preachy and self righteous: *********Its one thing to have a stray cat show up in your barn. Its quite another to acquire a domestic animal and not feed it. But I've read your posts for years, Cliff. I've seen you be cruel and heartless many times, why change now?*************** There is nothing of any worth in there about eliminating mice and rats. I'm just not seeing it. Sentence #1: "Its one thing to have a stray cat show up in your barn. Its quite another to acquire a domestic animal and not feed it." What's that got to do with getting rid of rats? You tell me~! All I see is some one getting all holier than thou and condemning others. In this case it's me. My response to you would be the same no matter to whom it was you unleashed that crap. Sentence #2: "But I've read your posts for years, Cliff. I've seen you be cruel and heartless many times, why change now?" Same response: What's that got to do with getting rid of rats? You tell me~! All I see is some one getting all holier than thou and condemning others. In this case it's me. My response to you would be the same no matter to whom it was you unleashed that crap. So if you can figure a way around all that preachy self righteous holier than thou crap you are more than welcome to post every thing you can think of about getting rid of rats by whatever means you think it might be done best. The OP's goal is to get rid of rats. Whatever you have that leads to that end goal is more than welcome. Are we Copostetic ?

ALLAH God of all 2009-04-07T23:56:41Z yadda yadda http://do-it-yourself.tribe.net/thread/07650e56-2ffd-4ac7-b600-ff9dd51d7cb7#f5de84af-da56-4909-bb1e-98337b8eab34 2009-04-07T19:02:27Z 2009-04-07T19:02:27Z

I see, so disagreeing with Cliff will get me banned. Okay. I didn't domesticate cats. That was done long ago and can't be reversed. If you think cats hunt well, go look at some strays and tell me how fat they are. I'm not on a soapbox, I just don't agree with your methods of erridating mice. And I think you'll find most cities and towns don't agree with your methods, either. That's why there are laws preventing people from acquiring animals and then not feeding them. Ban me it you like, I don't have to agree with you.

yadda yadda 2009-04-07T19:02:27Z ALLAH God of all http://do-it-yourself.tribe.net/thread/07650e56-2ffd-4ac7-b600-ff9dd51d7cb7#92f4a4b3-1a9a-4602-a8a6-7bc78e87b12b 2009-04-07T18:43:48Z 2009-04-07T18:43:48Z

**************Its one thing to have a stray cat show up in your barn. Its quite another to acquire a domestic animal and not feed it. But I've read your posts for years, Cliff. I've seen you be cruel and heartless many times, why change now?***************** HA HA HA HA HA HAH A HA HA You are joking right? Animals have fur because they evolved to live out of doors. It is a perversion of nature to house them indoors Animals have sharp reflexes and senses that enable them to find their own food. It is perversion of nature to turn them into useless parasites. Two can play at the moral outrage game. If you find yourself unable to take your ridiculous and false moral outrage elsewhere then I suggest you take yourself elsewhere. This tribe is not the place for soap box preachers. Such conduct is against the TOU and will result in stern measures.

ALLAH God of all 2009-04-07T18:43:48Z yadda yadda http://do-it-yourself.tribe.net/thread/07650e56-2ffd-4ac7-b600-ff9dd51d7cb7#eea22447-25ad-4459-84c6-c9915f31efee 2009-04-07T17:11:35Z 2009-04-07T17:11:35Z

Well said, M.

yadda yadda 2009-04-07T17:11:35Z ~M~ http://do-it-yourself.tribe.net/thread/07650e56-2ffd-4ac7-b600-ff9dd51d7cb7#a0e22349-9c71-45b2-b0f8-6e983c9725f3 2009-04-07T17:07:18Z 2009-04-07T17:07:18Z

OH MY!!!! How long are we gonna drag out this thread??? GEEZ!!! Buy some snap traps and be done with it!!!!

~M~ 2009-04-07T17:07:18Z Briggi http://do-it-yourself.tribe.net/thread/07650e56-2ffd-4ac7-b600-ff9dd51d7cb7#5b07d80e-fce1-4aee-b3e4-d9c02fa7a2c7 2009-04-07T17:06:46Z 2009-04-07T17:06:46Z

What's cruel and unusual is to take a semi-feral animal and turn it into a neurotic apartment-bound petfood-consuming warm purring lapwarmer. Not fair to a living being. A gross perversion of the natural plan in the name of so called civilized behavior.... and yet this is considered an acceptable standard... turning a helpless animal into a love slave. So we are here to come up with solutions, not to defend the perverse decadent status quo.

Briggi 2009-04-07T17:06:46Z yadda yadda http://do-it-yourself.tribe.net/thread/07650e56-2ffd-4ac7-b600-ff9dd51d7cb7#38de3bd4-8c11-41e6-a15c-49ca1f614831 2009-04-07T16:59:31Z 2009-04-07T16:59:31Z

Its one thing to have a stray cat show up in your barn. Its quite another to acquire a domestic animal and not feed it. But I've read your posts for years, Cliff. I've seen you be cruel and heartless many times, why change now?

yadda yadda 2009-04-07T16:59:31Z ALLAH God of all http://do-it-yourself.tribe.net/thread/07650e56-2ffd-4ac7-b600-ff9dd51d7cb7#727fc96b-9d8f-4a7f-be4a-58919df8deb9 2009-04-07T15:07:03Z 2009-04-07T15:07:03Z

************The other thing to consider is you local animal protection laws. In most places it's illegal to have pets and not feed them. ********** There is a difference between having a pet and having some semi wild critters hanging about the place. And it is a fairly arguable proposition that the rodents are perfect provision for any pet's feed. In fact I'd be willing to say that letting the cats have the rats is the most natural and humane thing to do since you are not turning your cat into a worthless parasite with no dignity but letting them earn their place under the roof.

ALLAH God of all 2009-04-07T15:07:03Z yadda yadda http://do-it-yourself.tribe.net/thread/07650e56-2ffd-4ac7-b600-ff9dd51d7cb7#39436244-f3ae-4fa8-85be-71b6a6375da9 2009-04-07T13:49:50Z 2009-04-07T13:49:50Z

The other thing to consider is you local animal protection laws. In most places it's illegal to have pets and not feed them. So if you're going to do it, talking about it in an open forum probably is not a good idea.

yadda yadda 2009-04-07T13:49:50Z Timbozo http://do-it-yourself.tribe.net/thread/07650e56-2ffd-4ac7-b600-ff9dd51d7cb7#e1e82bf7-b2ff-4c4c-ae28-767b4ff1670e 2009-04-07T06:11:51Z 2009-04-07T06:11:51Z

Or a balance. For instance, did you start feeding the cats eventually or not?

Timbozo 2009-04-07T06:11:51Z ALLAH God of all http://do-it-yourself.tribe.net/thread/07650e56-2ffd-4ac7-b600-ff9dd51d7cb7#bd0f2cb2-d96e-4ce8-9e9d-f902137a7014 2009-04-06T20:23:18Z 2009-04-06T20:21:57Z

I bought an old property in northern main. there was a large barn and a out building complex. there was a serious rat problem. The little fukers'd look at you with an expression like: "What's in the bag kid?" I got two bad assed cats and left them to it - no food. Nothing nada not a smiggen. Mice evaporated and cats thrived. Nature finds a way.

ALLAH God of all 2009-04-06T20:21:57Z Timbozo http://do-it-yourself.tribe.net/thread/07650e56-2ffd-4ac7-b600-ff9dd51d7cb7#416b5827-d3c1-4baa-8903-ded703d6b278 2009-04-06T19:24:31Z 2009-04-06T19:24:31Z

>They will quickly do what Cats do naturally. Which is go over to the cat lady's house where there aren't any nasty, scary rats infestin' the place! Seriously, either your cat is a mouser or it is not. Ticking off a cat that is not a mouser by not feeding said cat is only going to make that cat angry/dissatisfied. And angry cats generally leave little messes around the place until they get their way. The older the cat, the more this is true. Also, males more than female cats tend to take that attitude. Seriously.

Timbozo 2009-04-06T19:24:31Z yadda yadda http://do-it-yourself.tribe.net/thread/07650e56-2ffd-4ac7-b600-ff9dd51d7cb7#8113f051-fbed-4e9f-bf6d-a5226e99adac 2009-04-06T17:27:03Z 2009-04-06T17:27:03Z

While we'd all like to think that cats will "take care" of the mice, in reality they don't. Few domestic cats will hunt well enough to erradicate a house full of mice. Get out the traps or the poison. I love critters, but the reality is that mice will foul your food, chewing through cereal boxes and peeing while they snack. They also breed so quickly and efficiently that in no time your home can become uninhabitable. Time to get rid of the rodents.

yadda yadda 2009-04-06T17:27:03Z $item.owner.firstName http://do-it-yourself.tribe.net/thread/07650e56-2ffd-4ac7-b600-ff9dd51d7cb7#01eacb89-809e-4413-95f8-1d2013551c63 2009-04-06T17:18:26Z 2009-04-06T17:18:26Z

Ugh... I always get the feeling that everything has germs all over it when there are mice in a place I rent. This has always been a touchy issue for renters we have that have had a mouse. Some renters want you to kill it, some want you to trap it safely and take it away. Take it away where I don't know, but it is always interesting to note how different people want us to deal with it. I think the best way to get rid of them all is to get a professional to deal with it. If you are renting you can get the landlord to handle it, assuming they are professional and will actually do more than set a trap or two. As another member mentioned, you have a potentially full scale infestation, so you should think about getting rid of them, and calling a professional. If you want to handle it yourself, then you might want to consult some advice from professionals or google it and see what other ideas are out there.... it's not going to be easy that route though... good luck

$item.owner.firstName 2009-04-06T17:18:26Z ALLAH God of all http://do-it-yourself.tribe.net/thread/07650e56-2ffd-4ac7-b600-ff9dd51d7cb7#4be791c2-2eeb-48ed-bb90-2ad413cb72f4 2009-04-06T14:47:55Z 2009-04-06T14:47:55Z

************On several occasions, I've found little mouse "presents." I found them on the stove, and underneath the sink. Then I found some in two of kitchen drawers.************ That is indicative of a full on infestation. You have literally hundreds maybe thousands of some species of small rat overrunning the place. If you use poison you may end up with as hundred pounds ( or more) of dead rats stinking up the place. I suggest you get another few cats and stop feeding them. Just don't make any food available to the cats. Water yes, food no. They will quickly do what Cats do naturally.

ALLAH God of all 2009-04-06T14:47:55Z Briggi http://do-it-yourself.tribe.net/thread/07650e56-2ffd-4ac7-b600-ff9dd51d7cb7#751c2329-de56-44b8-8df3-dedbd0bc24bd 2009-04-05T19:56:40Z 2009-04-05T19:56:40Z

What's broke in her household ecology is the cat forgetting how to be a cat, and surely not real happy about it. So what needs to be fixed is the cat. The cat should be allowed to be a cat....to re-find its cat self... and it will find much happiness after all the tough love is over.... and become an effective rodent exterminating predator ... the way Nature intended. The cat becomes bonded to its host home and to you. It may slip away out of displeasure, but it will always be lurking in the background, quietly watching you to see if it can get you to knuckle under by offering it treats to regain its affection. The cat can't go Fuck You because it's not like a dog who runs away. The cat circuit is wired to you and it's accustomed pathways around your house. Years back I had a pair of cats who were scaredy-cats. I'd toss them up on the roof and they would cry. Soon they learned to shinny down the side... and then to climb back up on their own. Soon they ate everything within 100 meters of the home... all rodents, jackrabbits and birds. They'd drag back meat for me... to share. They're gone now. Dead. I never fed them nor gave them water....(made em bloodthirsty), and if I left them off in town 8 miles away, they'd find their way back. The reason those two cats stayed with me is because they were free agents, and because they truly enjoyed the lifestyle.

Briggi 2009-04-05T19:56:40Z JSin http://do-it-yourself.tribe.net/thread/07650e56-2ffd-4ac7-b600-ff9dd51d7cb7#9b0f6f59-d617-4614-90bc-f48109a6fedc 2009-04-05T14:47:09Z 2009-04-05T14:47:09Z

Might work Briggi but after owning a lot of cats in my life and knowing folks who have tried the deny food and affection to get them to hunt. The usual chain of events are Don't feed Deny Affection Cat says FUCK YOU Moves out to a house that gives them affection and food That being said I have had several cats that are great mousers and ratters as well as bird killing machines All have gotten plenty of food and love Their instincts were much stronger to hunt I have also noticed that cats I have had either seem to be birders or mousers They have a preference as to what they like to hunt. <currently share my home with 5 cats, one is a mouser and ratter, another will take birds down by the dozen but a mouse could snuggle with her, the other three wouldn't even make it in the wild> JSin

JSin 2009-04-05T14:47:09Z Briggi http://do-it-yourself.tribe.net/thread/07650e56-2ffd-4ac7-b600-ff9dd51d7cb7#a6d71b50-6af0-40a0-a5c4-04f21ec873ac 2009-04-05T05:02:16Z 2009-04-05T05:02:16Z

suggestion> cat> Do Not Feed The Cat> Deny affection to the cat> cat will become hungry, and aggressive> cat's nature will come up> cat will hunt out it's food as is true to its nature> mice gone

Briggi 2009-04-05T05:02:16Z JSin http://do-it-yourself.tribe.net/thread/07650e56-2ffd-4ac7-b600-ff9dd51d7cb7#31631dd8-6e81-4503-86d4-a752d84a97db 2009-04-04T16:21:45Z 2009-04-04T16:21:45Z

After renting the place I am in now I found a number of areas with rat droppings. The rental company sent out an exterminator with an enclosed poison trap <this keeps pets and kids away from the poison> After talking to him for a while, being we have cats and an idiot for a dog, I found out that new EPA and wildlife regulations require them to use a poison that is strictly primary kill. In other words the residual poison in the dead carcass cannot kill a subsequent scavenger. So a professional grade poison is viable. Consumer grade stuff frequently can remain toxic in the dead body. This is due to a loophole in the laws allowing companies to sell products containing substances that can kill afterwords. The single kill stuff<I wish I remembered the chemical name> is not available to the public because of special handling restriction and it's initial toxicity. In interest of DIY though. I would have a service come in and place an initial poison box. This is to significantly reduce your population. Your DIY end... All holes no matter how small around your home need to be plugged or screened. Get debris away from the perimeter of the house. Put all foods inside resealable glass or plastic containers. Search out any and all water leaks or potential water sources inside the house. Regularly pull the stove out and clean out ant food debris under it. Remember with mice rats and cockroaches for every once you see there are dozens or hundreds you don't so it is best to make your place as unattractive as possible to them. JSin After the initial kill cycle

JSin 2009-04-04T16:21:45Z ✪datpotter http://do-it-yourself.tribe.net/thread/07650e56-2ffd-4ac7-b600-ff9dd51d7cb7#afe746e1-dd0a-4eba-af59-e70f3b027d76 2009-04-04T05:22:24Z 2009-04-04T05:22:24Z

Wanna borrow my dog? He's a Rat Terrier.

✪datpotter 2009-04-04T05:22:24Z Tahiyya http://do-it-yourself.tribe.net/thread/07650e56-2ffd-4ac7-b600-ff9dd51d7cb7#1db4ea7e-3b8a-4962-a5da-f15ecaaaa84f 2009-04-04T05:18:43Z 2009-04-04T05:18:43Z

On several occasions, I've found little mouse "presents." I found them on the stove, and underneath the sink. Then I found some in two of kitchen drawers. My cat sleeps underneath the comforter all day long, and even if one walked across his face, he would ignore it. Would it be a good idea to get a few snap traps? Obviously, I can't use poison, and glue traps are a nuisance. I had good luck with a snap trap before, so maybe they would be a good idea. Any suggestions?

Tahiyya 2009-04-04T05:18:43Z