Has anyone ever installed a new gas boiler themselves? We are switching over as soon as we can turn the existing diesel boiler off for the season and my husband wants to install the new boiler himself. Is this crazy? We'll have to get a new gas line installed, not doing that ourselves. Should I override this decision and get a professional to do it?
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Sun, May 4, 2008 - 12:51 PMCheck local code, it may require a pro to sign off on the instalation to get the gas turned on. Or your frendly plumber of choice should know.
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Sun, May 4, 2008 - 2:28 PMBoiler?
Do you mean water heater or do you mean the furnace that heats the house?
Either one is technically is easy but the latter is more labor intensive because everything is heavier and there will be more plumbing connections to undo and re-do. .
Gas connections are no big deal don't over tighten, use pipe dope, and don't forget to leak test.
Test for leaks on small hookups like that using bubble soap. If you are running a whole house full of lines ( I have) you need to pressure test the whole system over a few day period. If the pressure drops you are going to be at each joint with bubble soap.
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Mon, May 5, 2008 - 4:58 AMI mean a furnace that heats the house. My house is over a hundred years old so I may not have the latest and greatest infrastructure ;-) It's a hydronic heating system with radiators on the 3 floors that the boiler/furnace heats. Cliff thanks for the info. I think it should be just a matter of connections at the source, the lines throughout the house will stay the same, other than the new gas line we'll have to get. But yeah, the suckers are huge and heavy so that will be an issue getting it down a flight of wooden deck stairs. I will take pics :) -
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Mon, May 5, 2008 - 6:12 AMSome things I need to know:
Do you have zoned system? A zone will have two distinguishing factors ( 1) it'll have it's own thermostat on the wall and (2) there will be a "zone valve" (usually Taco or Honeywell) in the celler near the furnace.
Are the heat exchangers Iron? Or are they copper pipe with radiant fin aluminum crap? (the heat exchangers in question are the radiator in the rooms)
Is the system forced how water or steam?
:::::::::If it's a forced how water system:::::::::::
Think about replacing every single valve you can with a nice new modern Ball Valve.
Replace the inlet and outlet valve to the furnace with nice huge ball valves.b Chances the old valves are shot anyway.
Place the recirculator motor ON the TOP of the new furnace not down on the side at the floor. Some plumbers like to put it at the lower end. This is fine except a lot of such placements cause an air bubble to form in the recirculator and that causes burn out of the newer recirculator pumps.
Add two Ball valves to the upper and lower side of each zone valve. This helps to isolate the whole system during shut down and maintainance. More is always better when it comes to valves. And ball valves don't hinder flow.
Never install any other type of valve. Those old school rising stem valves are all dinosaurs that should be thrown away
The modern furnaces are pretty damn good. I'd look at a Weil McClain. If you go with a new high efficiency furnace and you don't have cast Iron heat exchangers you might want to think about adding a water ballast tank.
A ballast tank will help prevent the furnace from cycling on and off all the time. It'll be a stainless steel or copper tank of a few hundred gallons that you will insulate very well.
The good news is that the new furnace is lighter than the old one. You will still need a couple of beefy guys to muscle and rig the thing in position. I did mine alone using a dolly and some ramps and some ropes and block and tackle I got the thing from my pickup in the the driveway into the garage into the cellar up a couple of stair steps and into the place where it had to go. My cellar is 250 years old and the beams are 8 and 10 inches of solid oak. The oak beams above the furnace's final position I drilled the holes for the ropes which I used to lift the furnace up and settle it on the concrete blocks which I used to keep it above the floor.
Never set a furnace right on the floor. A tiny little bit of water in your cellar will ruin your furnace.
This will be a good time to take a long hard look at other elements of the system and determine whether they need replacement.
Do not add anything to the heating water such as an anti rust treatment UNLESS the boiler manufacturer has approved it. Otherwise you might as well throw your warrantee away.
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Sun, May 4, 2008 - 7:03 PMBoiler? Indeed?
I usually think of a boiler as being used in commercial operations.
What is your diesel boiler used for? How large an application?
I don't know much about boilers, but I think a couple of the boilers where I work actually have a switch that allows them to choose "oil" instead of gas as the fuel source.
I also gather that there is quite a lot involved in safely and properly maintaining a boiler - some states may even require some sort of certification of the person tending the boiler (even chemical and mechanical specialists).
I would actually like to learn a bit about boilers, so I'm all ears - if we are indeed talking "boilers". -
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Mon, May 5, 2008 - 5:11 AMThis is the boiler we're looking at
www.alpinehomeair.com/viewcategory.cfm
I'm sure there are more sophisticated ones for commercial buildings but we're just a 2300 sq ft house.
and this is the calculator we used to determine the size needed
www.alternateheatingsystems.com/bt...htm
which is close the the "rule of thumb" of 30 btus / sq ft of area.
We're looking to avoid all the mandatorily-licensed persons, and have done a lot of other work on the house without contractors as well. But I am concerned with it getting done right. I guess we have all summer to make sure it's right, doing all of Cliff's recommended bleed tests. We usually turn the boiler on in October. -
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Mon, May 5, 2008 - 10:41 AMCrown is an older company. I don't know anything about them.
It's not that hard to do. My last replacement job was in my first year of law school. It was late october damn cold and the old one burst.
The first year of law school is that year when they make half the class quit from overwork. Between the freezing nights and the demands of school I had little time to spare. Took about 3 days all told.
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Sat, June 14, 2008 - 11:06 PM1. Is this installation to take place within the City of New York?
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Sun, June 15, 2008 - 5:03 AMHey Aileron~!! Haven't seen you in a dog's age.
How ya been~?
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Sun, June 15, 2008 - 7:18 AMNot in NYC. Entergy is the gas provider.
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Sun, June 15, 2008 - 12:23 PM"... Should I override this decision and get a professional to do it? "
I suppose, as has been suggested, your husband should be able to install your boiler.
I would still think that after you install it and test it out that you have a certified tech come in and make sure it is running properly - not too rich or too lean; and that the blower is cycling (purge, etc) the way it should.
I would also have that tech use a "sniffer" (or what ever they call it to) check for gas leaks.
I've been familiarizing myself with commercial boilers and found a site that I think is pretty informative.
Although your boiler is not an industrial grade monster some of this content might apply:
www.mckenziecorp.com/boiler_tips.htm
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Sun, June 15, 2008 - 12:52 PM"husband"?!
She didn't say she was a breeder, holmes.
And besides 'getting your husband to install 'it?! what is this? the farkin' Dick Van Dyke Show or a modern DIY forum ? -
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Sun, June 15, 2008 - 4:13 PMGrouch,
Your comments are way off base. She did say "her husband" wanted to do it.
Your 2ed line makes no sence at all.
Rember kids, don't drink and type. -
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Fri, June 20, 2008 - 6:45 AMheh, thanks for making me laugh. My husband will be the installer, I'm the one financing it though, so I guess it's a team effort :) And thanks for the tips. We're probably looking at an August attempt.
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Sat, July 12, 2008 - 10:19 AMSo we started the process... the gas pipes are all in waiting for a new gas boiler. We've been looking at hydronic system water heaters at www.alpinehomeair.com to find the right boiler to buy, but have a few questions, if anyone has any input.
1.) They seem to have two styles of boiler - 90%+ efficiency and 80%+ efficiency. But the higher efficiency boilers list a water capacity of
1/10th that of the lower efficiency boilers. How do I know what water capacity I need? If two units are both 70,000 BTUs, how will having a lower or higher water capacity affect our heating system?
Here are links to two one of each type of these boilers:
www.alpinehomeair.com/viewproduct.cfm
www.alpinehomeair.com/viewproduct.cfm
2.) Each of the units lists "Heating Capacity", "Effective Heating Capacity", and "Net Water Rating" - each has a decreasing number of BTUs
from the previous. Which of these three numbers am I trying to get to be 70,000?
3.) If I need to choose between boilers that are either a little over or a little under my 70,000 BTUs, is it better to be a little under or a little
over?
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Tue, July 15, 2008 - 10:05 AMJo, thank you for starting this thread. I have a residential gas boiler that I am looking to replace as well. You are asking questions that I haven't even thought to ask. Thank the rest of you for all the information!
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